I need to get this of my chest!

[salty]

I know a lot of you guys are going to hate me for this but, I have to say this, I don't understand where a lot of you guys are coming from? I thought we were in the sport of bodybuilding not going for anorexia! I mean this is a great place to get imformation and I find it very helpful in helping me to obtain my goals but these people who are 150 lbs and still trying to lose weight, please give me a break! I always thought the best way to go was to grow the oak before you start to carv it out, not take twigs and make tooth picks. I just find it disturbing when I hear about these little boys trying to look like alley mcbeal, like really how much muscle can be on a 150 lb frame, please guys grow up and stop reading cosmo. I hope I didn't insult to many people but I hardly find these people role models for health, and one more thing, please give weight training at least a year before you wimp out and get juiced. Sincerely salty!

 

[Belial]

Actually, I somewhat agree here. I've noticed a few people whose goals and stats don't mix. For example, people claiming to be extremely ripped, yet asking about cutting cycles. or people posting pics of themselves, skinny as twigs, talking about how they'd just come off lipokinetix. These things don't match up, and they sometimes worry me.

I dunno. it's almost too hairy a problem to worry about, though.

 

[MS]

I don't think it's our place to worry about soomeone's goals. I mean this is a diet discussion board and there are as many reasons out there to diet as there are people. Many people on Elite Fitness are into BB, but many are not. My values (which are very much BB oriented) are separate from my dietary knowledge which can help wannabe anorexics as much as wannabe big fat dudes on 4 grams of gear a week. As mcuh as it disgusts me to give advice to a 5'8" 150lb male who wants to get down to 135 lbs I figure he's just gonna go elsewhere for advice if we abuse or ignore him. But I always put the caveat in that I personally think he should pick up a weight and add some muscle.

 

[PsychoSkitz]

Remember, weight doesn't mean shit. Body fat% does.

I'm sure alot of people are light but not cut.

IMO, It's easier to drop all your fat and then bulk as opposed to vice versa.

 

[St|ckMan]

I reckon they have a problem cause im 6'0 and only 150 and i wanna gain like MAD! So far im doing heaps well.. But how the hell could you look good at 135 lbs!? I probly wont even look good until 170 ish+ .. ahhh welll

 

[Enock]

To be honest I don't always see how peoples physiques and weights even begin to match.

My friend ways 190 and is an inch shorter than me, hes not fat by any means flat stomach ect.. but he doesn't lift, starting to get him into to it.

I'm 175 now, and 6"3" I'm a fuckload stronger (I'm sure he would be stronger if he lifted though, hes got the build) than he is and albiet I am alot lower on BF% than he is, he just does not look to have enough extra bodyfat to make the 15IB difference all while I'm a bit taller and have alot more muscle than he does.

I seriously don't know where the fuck his weight comes from or where the hell my weight is. Do I have hollow bird bones damnit was I designed to fly?

The only thing I can really think is that somehow I just don't hold water nearly the same amount of water he does. Being how heavy water is, and the fact that if your skinny besides skin thickness you probably won't notice it much.

btw started lifting with a weight of 164, now I'm 175

 

[Enock]

hmm another question, does slow twitch versus fast twich muscle fibres have different densities?

I know muscle density can vary from person to person muscle to muscle, time to time ect.. but, in general any difference between the desities of fast twitch and slow twitch?

 

[Mr.X]

I totally agree with MS.

Look Salty, I am not going to be a child and try to disagree with you. Simply, I'll ask you a question: is it not right to answer a persona's needs, no matter the stats? I can see one factor in your argument, which is, as I see it, truly oppinion based. But, as a matter of fact, I can see where you are coming from; at the same time, I do not percieve a persons stats as a base for judgement. I simply state the dietary facts, and let them decided the outcome of their program, whether objective or subjective. It will all boil down to one fact: a diet is a diet not matter the stats.

Mr.X

 

[natasan]

[B...and one more thing, please give weight training at least a year before you wimp out and get juiced.[/B]

agreed.

I've talked to quite a few people this summer already that are dropping $200+ / month on supplements without getting the foundations or basics understood.

This board in many ways represents a pretty solid knowledge base - after you've gone through some of the crap.

 

[Burning_Inside]

Well, hey, if you're 150 at 20% bodyfat, you got some fat to lose. Plus you have to remember that just because Joe has his abs showing at 10% bodyfat, doesn't mean that Bob will have his showing at 10% he might need 7%.

Not everyone here is in it for the health aspect. Many of us, including myself, are just in it for the vanity. Andhey, maybe some people liek the chisled skinny look, not everyone wants to be a mountain either.

 

[salty]

I agree what a lot of you guys are saying, I was a little pissed off when I wrote my first post, And my post is totally opinion based, but let's give you an example, If I were a female and I was writing you guys and saying that I was 100lbs and wanted to lose 20 lbs would everyone support my actions, I hope not! I don't see any difference in the two scenarios, you you say that you lift weights you should have a little muscle, and the difference between a 150lb man and a 100lb women is very little in body fat, and please don't even give me the shit that a 150lb man has 20%bf give me a break burning inside, my friend is only 5'6 and 150lbs and he's skinny as a stick, plus he's never lifted weights. I know that it's better to give informed information but imformation could be deadly to some people. Plus one more thing, there are people on this board who's stats and opinions change like days on a calender, one day they are preaching one thing and then the next day it's a totally different opinion. If this is going to continue to be a excellent source of imformation, let's keep the stats real, we all need help and there's no shame in teeling true stats. My stats if you are wondering are 222lbs(give or take a pound) at around 20% bf(give or take a %) I know I need to lose weight and that's why i'am here. You will never hear me say i'am 210lbs at 10%bf one day when giving info and then the next day say my real stats because I need to lose my spare tire! and I know this is a long post but I can't respect alot of your opinions when you can't be honest and be straight about your stats, anyone can look like a professional bodybuilder in writing! I know I sound bitter and I apologize but I'll be straight with you as long as your straight with me!

"Anorexia is not only a women's problem anymore"

 

[MindGame]

well i used to be 200lb fat ass no offence ,but i had to change i started running playing ball more than last year got to the gym,got down to 180 still had fat,so i cut to 140 just to mess around with hardly no knowledge since i never knew about this boards,i took hydroxycut and ate whatever i wanted cause those commercials on tv were like whoa.........than i started reading more realizing the way i did it was bad.........so i took it slowly went back to 180 in jan/feb/march......dieted in alil in march april......bulked past 2months became big in the belly doin keto diet ,will maintain for summer weight ,but when I return from vacation i plan doing BULK DIET with help of the elite ones,such as belial and mr x and others that helped me alot..........some people are fat at 150:/ i still people that are 150 that got pot bellys and stuff:/