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Hey chatters at this point how hard do you train

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I am already aware of those such as Bfold, wodin, havoc, corn


but as a whole do you still eat, sleep and live for the gym, compound movements, written programs, no drinking, protein shakes every 2 hours...

what is your level of commitment these days, I ask this because I am trying to reach 230 and damn its a bitch, eating all the time...ect.
 
saint808 said:
a huge chunk of it is genetics man
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I have to disagree bro, some of it is genetics, most of it is pure dedication and commitment,

you would not be where you are without your commitment
 
My priorities are God, family, and then self. If all others are taken care of, I work on myself. If I can feed my family, then I'll buy protein. I still find time to go to the gym as often as I want/need to.
 
I haven't lifted speriodically the last 2 months.....I've been concentrating on military core exercise...push-ups, dips, pull-ups, and crunches. I run and swim everyday too. (except Sunday) I'm still sitting at 235lbs....I've lost about 5lbs but not much else. Feel much lighter though for some reason. Gotta love GENETICS my man ;)
 
saint808 said:
yeah sad thing is i really do bust my ass just to look this shitty.
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someday im going to beat you for these comments
 
I just finished munching on a Chocolate Jr. Hmmmmm Gooood.
 
Very true words, Saint.

At this point I have never used AAS and dont need to. Genetics help a bunch. Alas, I put on fat just as easily as muscle, so it is a never-ending battle. Still, like Andy13 said, I could probably absolutely just blow up if I did use them, but that isnt my goal.

I have a Saint-ish physique, but i could stand to lean up a lil bit more than him. Beefy fa sho. Still, I'm younger and have a way to go til my goal physique. Unfortunate for someone that wants to get as big as possible that they dont have my genetics, b/c I bet I could hit 275 at a very low b/f with 'help' but my goals are not like that.

HI, eat, eat, eat. If you are an ectomorph at all, you need to be eating tons. I have a friend who has quite possibly the fastest metabolism I've ever seen. When he finally started training with me, I told him to eat everything he could. He was able to put on about 15lbs he normally couldnt have. If I ate like he ate pre-training, I would gain fat for sure. I'm confident if I ate everything I wanted, I could put on 2-4lbs a week in fat. Damn it.
 
I'm down to 221 as of this morning, right below 5% bodyfat, I look bigger than I did at 245 and I am running 4 miles under 26 minutes. Pretty damn ninja if you ask me. peace
 
work 50 hours a week (if you consider this work)
train 5 days/week
tan 3 days/week
play soccer/hockey about 4 hours a week
my diet is dead on!
 
Train???
As in... lift weights?
Is THAT what this board is for?

Shit, Im in the wrong place.
 
havoc said:
I am running 4 miles under 26 minutes.
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That's a SOLID ass run time. I'm ran 24:20 for a 4 miler the other day.....I was in the zone!!! I smoke all the little guys and runners....they can't belive there eyes when my big ass is killing everybody.....;)
 
i was laid off for 5 months and that put a big damper on my training. most of the day i was eating 4 meals a day, maybe 5, and there would be some weeks that i only made it to the gym twice. i lost about 12lbs that whole time and obviously wasn't looking very good, thus not feeling good either. now i've been back in it doing my six meals a day and 4 days a week at the gym, and i'm making progress again. back up to 178.5 yesterday (was down to 170 when i finally got a job) and strength is almost back to where it was at 5lbs heavier.
 
havoc said:
I'm down to 221 as of this morning, right below 5% bodyfat, I look bigger than I did at 245 and I am running 4 miles under 26 minutes. Pretty damn ninja if you ask me. peace
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Damn. This god (as Wu would say) is fit as hell! Whats your training regimen like overall bro?

When I'm at full load, I train 5 times a week, M-F. Warm-up, Weights, some cardio. Lately I've not been going as much as usual b/c I was rehabbing my elbow.

I'm ready to switch shit up though. I need to be where I used to be a while ago cardiovascularly, when I could still run Stress Levels and did plyometrics often.
 
You know my priorities. Slin/primo/clen/bromo bridge and training like all hell. Down to 212 thoiugh for some fucked up reason from 218. This sucks but I'm gonna get it back real soon.
 
I have to laugh when people say that they don't feel there is a genetic limit.
I will admit that before I really read into it, I really thought that with enough of the right drugs, and just working really hard - anyone can be a monster.
Then I read enough that I'm seeing that we all have our limits programmed into our genes, and until they start coming up with ways to manipulate our genetics, we are just fighting those.

It reminds me of when I was a competitive runner. I would look at the people struggling and think "what the fuck - fucking pussies - they just aren't training hard enough."
I would train until I would pass out and just really do anything to win. I had it in my mind that I was better than everyone else because I worked that much harder, and it was nothing to do with genetics.
Then I went to a top level collegiate program and saw people doing far less work and they were way faster.
Much in the same way that I can run a 5:30 mile without even training - there are people that can do the same for a sub 5 min mile.
I was thinking I was doing something right - whereas I really just had genetics on my side, and then I wasn't really fucking stuff up beyond that. That is the key - good genetics, and then don't fuck it up.
So I could go from a non-training 5:30 down to sub 4:30 with training - but I wasn't ever going to reach 3:50 or below, no matter how much harder I worked.

Don't get me wrong - you can max out the genetics you have and such - but if you think that it is hard work that sets you apart - think again.

Now I just try to work for my health and max out my genetics to what I can without system stress and I enjoy it all much more.
 
I work 40 hours a week of heavy physical labor.

I eat 7-8 meals a day religously.

I drink 1-2 gallons of H20 daily.

I work out Mon-Wed-Fri.

Monday is legs-Squats plus scondary exercises.

Wed is chest & shoulder-Bench, shoulder press plus secondary exercises.

Fri is back-Deadlift plus secondary exercises.

I started my off-season routine 4 weeks ago, emphasizing strength, which means ultra low reps.

My job has a tendency to leave me fatigued, as I don't take any performance enhancing supps, I therefore have to make sure I get enough food and rest.

I lift as hardcore as I possibly can.
 
saint808 said:
a huge chunk of it is genetics man
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agree with you bro. It's all about the genetics. Unless yo ustart using huuuugeee amounts of drugs (and I'm not even sure you could reach your goal) there's nothing you can do. I usually train 2-3 times a week, 20-30 minutes each session. Thats enough for me. Some guys I know will go 4-5 times a week (60 minutes) and are still shitty, while I know 2-3 dudes that train once every week like pussies and are probably the biggest mofo in my gym.
 
I lift 6 days a week, and I'm pseudo-bulking right now. I'm trying to eat healthy and in large quantities, but my body puts fat on FAST. So I have to lift hard, eat well, and do cardio about 2-3 days a week.

Wodin... Is that a character from VeggieTales in your Avatar? I was forced to watch those when I was younger.
 
I work 40 hours, physically intensive outside labor.

I go three days on, then one day off. I spend 2 1/2 to 3 hours a day in the gym. One muscle group a day, except tri's and forearms are together. I alternate cardio and abs and obliques. Cardio is running a mile and a half.

I eat 5-7 meals a day. 210-214 grams of protein a day.

I push the limit everyday, go heavy and hard or go home. I don't believe in light days.
 
i'm at the gym about 5 days a week, i've been hitting the weights really hard the past few months, very little cardio. i'm trying to get myself on track with cardio and a better diet to lean down, and maybe cut out the booze, but for me that is the hardest part. i don't eat drink sleep training, but it is a big part of my life.
 
It's all about genetics. How many of us know at least one guy who's super lean, holds some good weight and doesn't even train?? I know 2, both over 200 lbs. They've never touched a weight in thier lives, live off McDonalds, and they still look better then I ever will no matter how much effort I put in.

That being said, I havn't been to the gym in about three months and I've been eating nothing but junk food. :) I'm getting back into ahealthy lifestyle now but I'm pretty far off from what I used to be. I'd say I'll be back up to 100% intensity/discipline in about two weeks.
 
HappyScrappy said:
I have to laugh when people say that they don't feel there is a genetic limit.
I will admit that before I really read into it, I really thought that with enough of the right drugs, and just working really hard - anyone can be a monster.
Then I read enough that I'm seeing that we all have our limits programmed into our genes, and until they start coming up with ways to manipulate our genetics, we are just fighting those.

It reminds me of when I was a competitive runner. I would look at the people struggling and think "what the fuck - fucking pussies - they just aren't training hard enough."
I would train until I would pass out and just really do anything to win. I had it in my mind that I was better than everyone else because I worked that much harder, and it was nothing to do with genetics.
Then I went to a top level collegiate program and saw people doing far less work and they were way faster.
Much in the same way that I can run a 5:30 mile without even training - there are people that can do the same for a sub 5 min mile.
I was thinking I was doing something right - whereas I really just had genetics on my side, and then I wasn't really fucking stuff up beyond that. That is the key - good genetics, and then don't fuck it up.
So I could go from a non-training 5:30 down to sub 4:30 with training - but I wasn't ever going to reach 3:50 or below, no matter how much harder I worked.

Don't get me wrong - you can max out the genetics you have and such - but if you think that it is hard work that sets you apart - think again.

Now I just try to work for my health and max out my genetics to what I can without system stress and I enjoy it all much more.
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ok explain this then at 19 I started training, my weight 137 pounds of little or no muscle mass. My chest was inverted, I was pathetic at best. Six years later, 213 with almost a complete build of pure lean muscle,

I was not ment to be a genetic freak, in fact all I have going for me genetic wise with my body is a great abilty to burn fat and recovery quickly.

genetics are one issue, but dedication can overcome this.,
 
Monday - Back & Chest, maybe small arm work if I'm up to it
Tuesday - Legs, some shoulder work
Wednesday - Biceps/Triceps, maybe some chest work
Thursday - Shoulders/Neck-Traps
Friday - Light work on whatever I feel

Still trying to decide what I'm going to do to switch it up now... But more cardio for sure
 
I eat 6 times a day, no matter what. My diet's not necessarily as clean as it could be, but I'm not really worried about getting lean right now.

I do something in the way of a workout every day, even if it's sled dragging or accessory work.

The program I follow is Westside, with some variation, so we change things on the fly, but the split stays the same.

My goal is still to break the 200lb mark, and yeah, it's a bitch.
 
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HighIntensity said:



ok explain this then at 19 I started training, my weight 137 pounds of little or no muscle mass. My chest was inverted, I was pathetic at best. Six years later, 213 with almost a complete build of pure lean muscle,

I was not ment to be a genetic freak, in fact all I have going for me genetic wise with my body is a great abilty to burn fat and recovery quickly.

genetics are one issue, but dedication can overcome this.,
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I think by genetic freak HS meant something bigger. My best friend who's also a member on EF is one of them. At 16 he was already 5'9, 225 lbs and training like a pussy. Today he's around 240 lbs, works out twice a month, addicted to McDonald's and still pretty lean.
 
Since my accident in February I'm still limited on what I can and can't do. I still eat six small meals a day. I still drink three protein shakes a day. I'm still on a no heavy lifting order by my doctors. I do very low impact stuff which is boring.
 
havoc said:
I am running 4 miles under 26 minutes.
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That's damn good. I can get 1.8 miles in 12 minutes... but after that 1.8 miles I'm shot... the next 2 miles is at a crawl.

I run sprints with my 16 year old 'daughter' and my dog... they can both out bullet me.

:bawling:
 
manny78 said:


I think by genetic freak HS meant something bigger. My best friend who's also a member on EF is one of them. At 16 he was already 5'9, 225 lbs and training like a pussy. Today he's around 240 lbs, works out twice a month, addicted to McDonald's and still pretty lean.
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73 pounds of lean muscle in 6 years is pretty damn good...my point being sure some guys have it easier then others, but I come across few men that are as freaky as I am these days in normal society.
 
I think everybody's seen pics of me and I've meet a few members in person that can vouch for my size.
 
HighIntensity said:


73 pounds of lean muscle in 6 years is pretty damn good...my point being sure some guys have it easier then others, but I come across few men that are as freaky as I am these days in normal society.
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Look. I'm not a genetic freak. Just normal. The only thing special is my high speed metabolism which keeps my BF so low but also is a pain to gain mass. I went from 160 to 210 in less than 2 years (I used to be at 195 before but had some health problem). That's 50 lbs. I know, in normal society few people will do this. I see your point anyway.
 
Buck you know you look like a fucking girl!

PUH-LEASE!

PS - How's life treatin' ya with the babies? Gettin' any sleep LOL?
 
strider364 said:



You've seen my pic, you know I'm not bullshitting.:)
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I've seen your pic so I know that you're for real. Excuse me, rude prick who called me a what? A cunt! Go back to the pig farm with your fellow pigs! I'm not lying either. I'm 100% for real!
 
bikinimom said:
Buck you know you look like a fucking girl!

PUH-LEASE!

PS - How's life treatin' ya with the babies? Gettin' any sleep LOL?
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Hell no...LOL Go to bed about midnight then get up at 0400 to start my day.....oh and did I mention that I'm usually so wired that I can't sleep, and just when I do get to sleep on of 'em wakes up and starts crying....:alien:
 
VixenVenus said:
I wonder how many of these people are lying?
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I did too just eat a Chocolate Jr...Tastey Cakes...hmmmmm.
 
VixenVenus said:


I've seen your pic so I know that you're for real. Excuse me, rude prick who called me a what? A cunt! Go back to the pig farm with your fellow pigs! I'm not lying either. I'm 100% for real!
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go back to my pig farm, I can tell your from Sioux Falls, South Dakota lol dumb as shit

BTW my pic is my avatar, do you know how to turn those on?

I am suprised your even on the net
 
most often by the end of my workout, my shirt is mostly soaked with sweat on the upper half. the rest of the people in my gym, just seem to be there to take advantage of the airconditioning.
 
Big Buck said:


Hell no...LOL Go to bed about midnight then get up at 0400 to start my day.....oh and did I mention that I'm usually so wired that I can't sleep, and just when I do get to sleep on of 'em wakes up and starts crying....:alien:
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Welcome to the wonderful world of parenting LOL!

My baby (now six) broke her arm about 5 weks ago. She's been climbing into bed with my early in the AM. I swear by the time she gets that cast removed I will be able to be considered a victim of battered women's syndrome HEHehehehehehehehe

Don't worry.... it only get worse.

Just ask Wodin. He has alzhiemers and STILL CAN NOT ESCAPE the hell of it! :D
 
havoc said:
I'm down to 221 as of this morning, right below 5% bodyfat, I look bigger than I did at 245 and I am running 4 miles under 26 minutes. Pretty damn ninja if you ask me. peace
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Yesterday you called yourself fat? Lamented on the problem in fact.
 
alot of it is genetic, like scrappy summed up so well, however i think that there is quite a ways one can go with knowing there body, knowing what diets and/or drugs work for them, and training in ways there body will respond...it takes years.

I remeber reading dorian yates book, he had some shit genetics and look how he turned out, yes i realize the amount of drugs he took were tremendous but not always, if u saw him in the beginning years he was far from his monster status but busted his ass and started blowing up.

i know that i can be large if i try. If i can be 300lbs of fat i can be 300lbs of muscle, fuck the genetics.
 
Last summer (01) I probably approached my reasonable genetic limit. Using roids, HGH, slin, clen...everything. It did not make me happier and it hurt my business relationships. Workout recovery turned me pretty much into a desk sloth.

My problem with intense workouts is I do NOTHING while recovering unless I have to. I watch life pass me by. Workouts are great for managing stress however.

I've got a decent mind, good face, communication skills, and two small businesses. Frankly...I no longer feel the need to be ripped. I respect the dedication it takes. Problem is...it takes too much. I like to drink socially and get around and do stuff. I have found it almost impossible to have freaky looks and live a full life.

HS is dead on about genetics. i might have been able to be a world class tennis player or basketball or cyclist. My joints were not made for extreme powerbuilding. I am not going to permanently fuck them up to weigh 10 pounds more.
 
Testosterone boy said:
Last summer (01) I probably approached my reasonable genetic limit. Using roids, HGH, slin, clen...everything. It did not make me happier and it hurt my business relationships. Workout recovery turned me pretty much into a desk sloth.

My problem with intense workouts is I do NOTHING while recovering unless I have to. I watch life pass me by. Workouts are great for managing stress however.

I've got a decent mind, good face, communication skills, and two small businesses. Frankly...I no longer feel the need to be ripped. I respect the dedication it takes. Problem is...it takes too much. I like to drink socially and get around and do stuff. I have found it almost impossible to have freaky looks and live a full life.

HS is dead on about genetics. i might have been able to be a world class tennis player or basketball or cyclist. My joints were not made for extreme powerbuilding. I am not going to permanently fuck them up to weigh 10 pounds more.
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PUSSY :D
 
HighIntensity said:



ok explain this then at 19 I started training, my weight 137 pounds of little or no muscle mass. My chest was inverted, I was pathetic at best. Six years later, 213 with almost a complete build of pure lean muscle,

I was not ment to be a genetic freak, in fact all I have going for me genetic wise with my body is a great abilty to burn fat and recovery quickly.

genetics are one issue, but dedication can overcome this.,
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Dude...your body is a polypharmacy of gear. Yes I'm sure you are dedicated, but to go and credit your physique simply to dedication isn't right. Without juice you wouldn't have broken the 200lb barrier without a nice, healthy gut to carry around with you, or it would've taken about 10 more years of training.
 
myostatin

if you could test the levels of it in an elite distance athlete from Kenya at the Olympics, or Armstrong at the Tour de France, and Ronnie Coleman, I think you would find a significant difference in their myostatin levels.
Yet it might surprise you how many other hormones in their system are similar - even the ones that are... perhaps added from outside the system.
 
supersizeme said:


Dude...your body is a polypharmacy of gear. Yes I'm sure you are dedicated, but to go and credit your physique simply to dedication isn't right. Without juice you wouldn't have broken the 200lb barrier without a nice, healthy gut to carry around with you, or it would've taken about 10 more years of training.
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your correct, but I know pleanty of guys who gear and don't see shit...the point is intensity and knowledge of the game are just as important as genetics.
 
HappyScrappy said:
myostatin

if you could test the levels of it in an elite distance athlete from Kenya at the Olympics, or Armstrong at the Tour de France, and Ronnie Coleman, I think you would find a significant difference in their myostatin levels.
Yet it might surprise you how many other hormones in their system are similar - even the ones that are... perhaps added from outside the system.
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I think you are insinuating that they all use "supplements." No?

I have long suspected that. How can we expect naturals to compete with juicers? There is no way.

I wonder if Bruce jenner juiced in '76. I would suspect that he did.
 
I train 6 days a week. What bodypart a work on which day changes every month. This month it looks like this:

Mon - Chest
Tuesday - Bi's
Wednesday - Legs
Thursday - Tri's
Friday - Back
Saturday - Shoulders

I am currently 5'9 210 (I was down to 205 after cutting). I started bulking and I should be back up to 230 by the end of December.

I eat 8 times a day (this includes 2-3 shakes or bars as snacks)
I try to get in 5k cals when bulking sometimes its higher. I really do not watch my carbs or what I eat when I bulk. I have found that if I get my protien to 400-500mg per day, I can pretty much eat anything else I want to eat.

I train very intense and focused. I do not talk to people, I leave my headphones on specifically not to talk to others. If they try and talk I just ignore like my music is too loud.

I will also throw in some light cardio of 20min or so 3 times a week when bulking.

Cutting is a different story and since I am done cutting for a bit I dont want to talk about it. LOL
 
HighIntensity said:

but as a whole do you still eat, sleep and live for the gym, compound movements, written programs, no drinking, protein shakes every 2 hours...

what is your level of commitment these days, I ask this because I am trying to reach 230 and damn its a bitch, eating all the time...ect.
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No, never have. I am only dedicated to hard training & good diet when 'on'. Other than that it is all 1/2 assed.
 
HighIntensity said:
I am already aware of those such as Bfold, wodin, havoc, corn


but as a whole do you still eat, sleep and live for the gym, compound movements, written programs, no drinking, protein shakes every 2 hours...

what is your level of commitment these days, I ask this because I am trying to reach 230 and damn its a bitch, eating all the time...ect.
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Godd question:

I look at it like this

3 pronged attack:

Diet
Cardio
Training


Give a score for 0.1-1.0 on each

like .8-.8-1.0

Ok .8x.8x1.0 = .64

So by going all out on two of the three and slacking on just one - you are only giving a 64% effort....


think about it
 
i try to train three times a week. basic stuff. chest and tri's, back and bi's, legs. nothing else. i eat like shit. i love all kinds of cereal and ice cream especially with chocolat syrup. i eat burgers and fries at least three times a week. ive cut my drinking down to about three beers every other week. i dont smoke anything. i drink a protien shake in the morning and only sometimes at night. in other words im not to dedicated at times. i generally weigh about 195 to 200. i bench between 365 and 375 max. thats about it. i would like to get up to about 210 at most maybe 215 and maintain that. i would be satisfied at that weight.
 
VixenVenus said:
I wonder how many of these people are lying?
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I have never posted pics but I've met a few other members of this board who can vouch for my stats - I'm sure you weren't talking about me though on account of my less-than-impressive stats.
 
I got the okay from my physcial therapist to go back to my regular training routine when I was in to see her today. So, I'm happy. Well at least I look pretty damn good for having a kid 21 months ago and for being in a car accident in February.
 
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