HBO Special and "Done Correctly" (cycle advice)

[jerseyboy0427]

i am so new to this, I'm sorry if i posted something that i wasn't suppose to. I didn't mean to guys..This site is just so wild and there is alot to take in. I am just so passionate about starting this new thing. I'm just trying to gain as much info as i can

 

[ass_face]

ass_face,
Do you follow normal pct after your short cycles? I am interested in hearing more about those. I too would rather have small gains less fluctuation in body weight. What are some of your fav stacks now that you are approaching 40?
Thx

The only pct is the nolva. I also load up on creatine and glutamine peptides.

Being a professional, I can't be gaining and losing 20 pounds, so a slow progression is the best way. Although, at this point, I just strive to be lean and hover around 225-235

My current stack is:
100 cyp/50mg prop/200mg Tren Enan and 300 of EQ every 3 days.
with 50mg of Winny ed (oral). This cycle will be more like a 7-8 week cycle due to the longer esters.

One of my favorites is:
NPP
Tren Acetate
Prop

Another:
Primo Acetate
Primo Enathate
Test Cyp
Anavar

 

[Outtlaw]

To each there own. As for settling into a weight... it is better to move up 5-10 pounds of lean mass (not body weight) than add 25-30 pounds of water, fat and and a little muscle. I prefer the slow and steady wins the race. I promise you... long cycles take their toll and are unnecessary.

Also, Outlaw... I think you need to think more in a one year period than a 5 week period. Sure you may take a step back, but the cumulative effect over a year will yield permanent changes with little to no supression. Also, I like a mix of Long acting and short. Prop, NPP/ Tren Enan,Test Cyp, EQ.

The cycle I ran I gained like 4-5lbs, and ended up with maybe a 1lb gain from the cycle. No way Im gonna run 5wk cycles for a gain of only 1lb at a time. I'd rather end up with a 10-15lb gain over a 10-12wk cycle. Just works better for me.

 

[Makavelli]

Let's look at real world examples of short vs. long cycles. What pro bb runs 5 wk cycles and is successful? None. All the top BB's, fitness models, etc run longer cycles. They know from years of experience that the gains are more permanent and they work better at adding mass. If the short cycle works for your goals, then that's cool. Understand that I'm not arguing whether it works for you or not. For most on this board they are trying to gain quality mass and/or get lean. This is best accomplished through longer cycles. I use the extreme examples of BB's because they are the extreme of what we're all trying to accomplish. Again, I'm not trying to argue with you assface, as I'm sure you like your gains that you're getting from your short cycles. I'm just proving a point for newbies that may go route thinking it's the best way when I don't think it is.

 

[ass_face]

Let's look at real world examples of short vs. long cycles. What pro bb runs 5 wk cycles and is successful? None. All the top BB's, fitness models, etc run longer cycles. They know from years of experience that the gains are more permanent and they work better at adding mass. If the short cycle works for your goals, then that's cool. Understand that I'm not arguing whether it works for you or not. For most on this board they are trying to gain quality mass and/or get lean. This is best accomplished through longer cycles. I use the extreme examples of BB's because they are the extreme of what we're all trying to accomplish. Again, I'm not trying to argue with you assface, as I'm sure you like your gains that you're getting from your short cycles. I'm just proving a point for newbies that may go route thinking it's the best way when I don't think it is.

Tony Freeman runs short cycles and he is fairly successful... there are more I am sure.

Well, I am more in favor of a quality life. I have no interest in looking like a pro bodybuilder. They look absolutely ridiculous. If that is your goal, then constant juicing is a must. If you are interested in being perpetually lean and muscular my method is better. I have no doubt. For me though, I can gain 10-20 pounds on a 5 week cycle easily. Others may not be as gifted.

As for being lean and muscular, being accomplished through longer cycles... I don't agree. Yes... in the short term... but the rollercoaster method of cycling is ineffecient. I would rather look good all the time while constantly improving.

It is a matter of taste. Shorter cycles require more discipline and patience, but the rewards are lasting... in addition to being much safer.

 

[Makavelli]

Tony Freeman runs short cycles and he is fairly successful... there are more I am sure.

Well, I am more in favor of a quality life. I have no interest in looking like a pro bodybuilder. They look absolutely ridiculous. If that is your goal, then constant juicing is a must. If you are interested in being perpetually lean and muscular my method is better. I have no doubt. For me though, I can gain 10-20 pounds on a 5 week cycle easily. Others may not be as gifted.

As for being lean and muscular, being accomplished through longer cycles... I don't agree. Yes... in the short term... but the rollercoaster method of cycling is ineffecient. I would rather look good all the time while constantly improving.

It is a matter of taste. Shorter cycles require more discipline and patience, but the rewards are lasting... in addition to being much safer.

Well I can't agree with you on two points:

1) If you do 6 short cycles a year vs. 2 long cycles a year, what's the difference as far as health is concerned? I don't see any. If you can gain 20 lbs of solid muscle in 5 weeks you are freak my man and should not even use AAS unless you're planning on competing, which you stated you are not. I wouldn't call a 12-16 week cycle a roller coaster. I've never seen a roller coaster that goes in a straight line for that long. Your method is more like a roller coaster since it's up and down over a short period. I'm sure you can agree with that. It doesn't matter I just don't like the analogy...

2) I didn't ask what BB's used short cycles, I asked what TOP BB's use shorter cycles. I don't consider Freeman a top BB. He has great potential, but won't realize it until he starts using longer cycles to acquire the type of mass a 6' 2" frame demands.

 

[ScienceGeek]

Good info assface.

3-4 week Prop only gains, for me, have been a dream come true. Like you said, you only grow for a few of the weeks of the longer cycles. It realy seems everyone responds differently to AAS. Experimentation is required.

 

[Outtlaw]

Tony Freeman runs short cycles and he is fairly successful... there are more I am sure.

Well, I am more in favor of a quality life. I have no interest in looking like a pro bodybuilder. They look absolutely ridiculous. If that is your goal, then constant juicing is a must. If you are interested in being perpetually lean and muscular my method is better. I have no doubt. For me though, I can gain 10-20 pounds on a 5 week cycle easily. Others may not be as gifted.

As for being lean and muscular, being accomplished through longer cycles... I don't agree. Yes... in the short term... but the rollercoaster method of cycling is ineffecient. I would rather look good all the time while constantly improving.

It is a matter of taste. Shorter cycles require more discipline and patience, but the rewards are lasting... in addition to being much safer.

You must be doing the roller coaster method because if you can gain anywhere close to 20lbs of muscle in a 5wk cycle, then after just 1 years worth of cycling you'd never have to cycle again. That is if you are keeping all your gains like you say.

 

[johnnya46]

So, how effective is an Anavar only cycle? How long do I run it? Is the QV any good?

 

[glover]

Back in 1981 when I ran my first cycle 6-8 weeks was the norm. Good results came from it. But back then top heavywght BB's would come into comp at 230lb now they come in at 270lb. The longer cycles or rather year round cycles are required to maintain that larger mass. I think this is worthy of a new thread to hear everyones opinion. What do ya think?