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First Cycle, suggestions please

O1s480

Banned
Height - 6'0"
Weight - 207lbs
Body fat - ~12%
Age - 26
Experience - 8 years

Been lifting since I was 17, started out at 175lbs. I've done 3 bulks and 3 cuts. I started like an average kid, thought I had to eat everything in sight to bulk. Blew up to 220lbs with probably 20% bodyfat, was very happy with my strength gains but not my look. Then I decided to cut and fell for the no carb/low card high fat diets. I was very impressed the speed I lost weight but needless to say all my muscle was gone, and I was left at about 190lbs and 15% body fat. From there I decided to start researching things a lot and talking to trainers. I currently maintain 200 grams of protein, 20% of my daily calories from fats and fill the rest in with carbs based on if I'm cutting or bulking... Right now I'm taking GW and plan to cut a few more pounds until I'm Impressed with my abs. Then I plan to jump on the gear!

Here is an example diet I'm currently doing,

Meal 1 - 40g oats, 9g Coconut Oil, 110g egg whites, multivitamin

Meal 2 - 68g brown rice (cooked), 15g almonds, 110g chicken, 1 cup mixed greens

Meal 3 - Same as meal 2

Meal 4 - Same as meal 2

Pre workout - 1 cup black coffee, 1 serving ON whey protein, 15g almonds

Post workout - 2 rice cakes, 1 serving ON whey protein

Meal 5 - Same as meal 2

At least 1 gallon of water per day

This is 1750 calories diet, but keep in mind I sit at a computer desk all day and the only real body movement I get through the day is at the gym. So it may seem drastically low for some guys, it allows me to slowly drop weight while maintaining my strength. Also, it may seem like a lot of bland same old crap through my meals but it's the best I can do with my long work hours. I can cook chicken, brown rice & brocoli in large bulks to last me through the week for easy prepping.

I plan to keep my diet mostly the same through my cycle, but obviously increase my calories and macros as needed.

My workout routine is pretty old school, alot of basic compound movements, lifting heavy to failure. It's very similar to Dorian Yates Blood and Guts workout routine but with a few things switched up that give me better pumps and I switch my workouts up a bit every couple months. It's all 5 days a week, no more than an hour with cardio 2-3 times a week. Lol and always heavy, even during my cuts. None of that girl shit.

So here is what I was thinking,

Week 1-12 Test Cyp 250mgs twice a week
Week 8-12 Winstrol 50mgs ED
Week 1-12 Arimidex 0.25mgs Mon/Wed/Fri (increase dosage if needed)

Week 13-15 Nothing

Week 16 - Start PCT (I will be following the perfect PCT protocol, I assume I don't need to post the whole thing for the vets here)

I know a lot of people recommend test only for a first cycle, others are okay with 1 oral as well. But I would really like to throw the oral in there. I believe I should be well aware of any test sides I could be having by week 8 when I start the Winstrol.

I just have a few questions. Would anyone recommend switching to test prop? I'm not worried about pinning more often, or so much pain since I'm in a chair all day, but I do like the idea of it clearing my system much quicker than cyp if I get sides I can't keep under control. And as for clomid in my PCT, I don't like the idea of it possibly making me all emotional or feeling "girly" which I've read alot. is there anything you guys would recommend switching the clomid with?

Anyways, I hope that was enough, or not too much info. Any suggestions or tips would he great guys. Throw it at me!

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I would use Cypionate for my first cycle. You can't go wrong with Prop but it's you first cycle I used Cyp. I would also add HCG 2 weeks before end of cycle. I never got girly emotional from clomid. You have to listen to your body.

I started with one steroid just to see how my body reacts to each compound. I would take winstrol out
 
I'd go ~350 a week personally. I'd also swap out the winny for var, but I don't see anything wrong with the winny. I just hear it dries the joints out is all.
 
I would also start at 250mg/ew and ease your way into it.

Do you think 250mg/week will be worth it for a newbie? I hear a lot of people say 250 is a waste and to start at 500. And I hear you about clomid, a lot of the forums I read the guys were taking a little higher doses. But the perfect PACK protocol does have you start at 100mg/week.

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I'd go ~350 a week personally. I'd also swap out the winny for var, but I don't see anything wrong with the winny. I just hear it dries the joints out is all.

I looked into var alot, and I really wanted it rather than winny for the joint problems you mentioned. I have bad knees so it doesn't sound like the greatest. Sadly it's the only dry oral I have access to.

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honestly bro, i would start with 250mg/ew for the first 2-3 weeks...let your body ease into it...or even 350mg...up to you! I know greed is a bitch haha...i started out with 250mg/ew my first cycle.
 
I looked into var alot, and I really wanted it rather than winny for the joint problems you mentioned. I have bad knees so it doesn't sound like the greatest. Sadly it's the only dry oral I have access to.

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My first ever cycle was Var@60mg/ed...to this day, it was the best cycle i ever did...hard to believe lol..
 
The average young male product approx. 10mg test per day. Say you use test c at 250mg that's approx. 175mg test and 75mg ester. So 175mg could be double what you product naturally so would yield great results. However you will never get your first cycle back ever! Too many waste that virgin response to hormones. I would use 400-600mg test c for your first cycle. Start off at 400mg and move up to a max of 600mg. Run your cycle for about 12 weeks. Yes use an AI on cycle. And HCG would be good either at a tiny dose every week or in the 2 weeks after your last shot of test. I could talk about HCG all day... it will increase estrogen so the AI is very important when using it. A fantastic system is 100-200mcg the night before your test shots (twice weekly).
 
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