ChinkNasty
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ChinkNasty said:You must spread some Karma around before giving it to coolcolj again.
the stages of overrtraining is a good reminder
also, do you feel that upper body strenght and muscle density helps squatting at all?
Q: I just finished reading the VJDB. I found the info on race and body type especially interesting. My question is this: By what standard/measurement do you qualify one as long limbed or not?
I've heard that one's wingspan is typically about the same as his height so I guess if you start to go above that then you're getting into "long arms" territory.
But what about legs? How long is one's inseam usually relative to height? I'm somewhere between 6'2" and 6'3" (not exactly sure), my wingspan is 77.5" and my inseam is 34.5".
A: It's all relative and their are no rules that I'm aware of. Do you have shorter limbs then most people or longer limbs? All you gotta do is observe. At 5'9 I have a 33 inch inseam so based on your height I'd say you don't have long limbs.![]()
coolcolj said:I remeber Kelly Bagett saying he has long femurs with a 33 inch inseam
At around the same height as him my inseam is 32 inches, so my legs aren't that short, even though I do have pretty short arms! My wingspan is less than my height
In another life that would be real good for benching![]()
Lone Trooper said:Longer limbs are better for jumping or running?
coolcolj said:definitely better for running as far as top speed goes and jumping off the run. Longer limbs require less strength and can generate more speed pure lb of force.
But shorter leg leverages can be overcome with surplus strength
Lone Trooper said:Right, I knew this.![]()
Ah, the things we forget to remember.
coolcolj said:read his speed book![]()
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Really bad sleep, not only did I find it hard to sleep, because of a jacked CNS, but the dog was being annoying, had to go free him twice when he got trapped in his backyard explorings!!
I feel really drained! Starting to get pretty burnt out, will deload the next 2 lower workouts. I have been doing to much and too hard too soon for sure on crap overall sleep!
Especially when leaning up. Throat starting to get sore in the afternoon, and some minor coughs, plus still feel drained as hell. Usually by afternoon it starts to subside.
Waking pulse isn't too high though at 55. Pretty darn sore and achey all over. Quads, glutes hammies, calves and upper back sore. Hammies are not as sore as last week though.
weighed 94.3 kg 207.46lbs straight out of bed in underwear
Good weight is down with a decent amount of carbs, plus some chocolate last night as well. Will really pigout tonight to help me recover faster.
AugustusIII said:I don't mean to offend you, let you down or get in your way man, but did you notice you're in the wrong lane? You're very knowledgeable about training, been doing a lot of reading, watching videos and open to ideas, but I've been watching your journal for years now, and I see you writing the same things over and over 'now I really know how to train', 'now I know what works for me', yet you're standing at the same squat numbers, bench, military numbers or whatever for a long time, and then you put some effort in it, and your squat goes up, and again you leave it alone, and when you do a comeback your squat goes up again, of course it does, you just worked on it, but you're talking about this 405 squat for ages and how you're going to do this and that, but nothing really moves anywhere, you put a lot of effort into your training and love to share information and all, very motivated and motivating guy, and I bet you can do tons better and reach your goal, instead of trying every method around, just stick with something and the results will come in a hurry...
That's it...again sorry if I have offended you, that was not my intent.

d-dub said:Im watching with interest to see how this diet plan works out for you. Seems to be effective so far.
It's possible you have some strength drop if your ROM is greater on squats. That video set defenitely looked alot lower than some of your previous stuff a while back.
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ChinkNasty said:hey man, good to see you get back into the swing of things. What kind of adjustments are you going to make to avoid overtraining again?
That will work but err on the side of making sure you recover well in between each session. Twice in the same week might be pushing it and will be pushing it for a lot of people I'd set up 2 upper body days and 2 lower body days and rotate through them training every other day with the weekends off.
Day 1 (Mon): upper body bench press, lateral, pullup, bicep, tricep
Day 3 (Wed): lower body squats, ghr, forearms, abs
day 5 (Fri): upper body military press, row, flye, bicep, tricep
day 8 (Mon): lower body split squats, ghr, forearms, abs
day 10 (Wed): repeat day 1
day 12 (Fri): repeat day 3
etc.
Prior to each workout (or at a separate time of day) do a warm-up and one quality performance oriented mag movement to first sign of drop-off. Choices include: broad jumps, vertical jumps, running single leg vertical jumps, sprints, depth jumps, shuttle drill, single leg triple jumps or anything else where you can get a good measure of both performance and improvement. You can either rotate through several of them or use the same one each workout. It doesn't matter. What is important is that you use full recoveries and try to improve each time.
On your strength movements try to increase each workout in either weight or reps. Keep a logbook and write everything down. Each workout you need to know what you did last time and then write down what you did this time.
Go ahead and ride this until you start to stagnate on an exercise. At that time take a week and combine the workouts together into 2 full body workout. Just train twice the entire week with 2 easy sets of 5 reps per bodypart. Once you've done that backoff week, you can either come back and get back on the same plan, or you can modify the plan into more of an explosive oriented set-up. To do that all you'd do is pull out the squats and split squats and replace them with jump squats or olympic lifts. Keep everything else the same.
How's that for a system of training?
Get used to seeing it cuz it's the official JackM split.
What I outlined is basically 2 lower body days every 8 days so it is basically twice per week. Two workouts per week vs 2 every 8 days?? Only one day difference. It simply works better on a 3 day per week training split to set it up that what. I've found the majority of normal non freakish type people get better results with the 3 day per week training split simply because they recover better. With regards to strenght the rate at which you gain won't be dramatically differnt if you train with a little less frequency than what might be perfect for you, but if you over-do the frequency your progress will go nowhere. So it's better to err a bit on the conservative side.
Having said that you could set up something like this and rotate through the workouts the same way:
Mon: upper body
Tues: lower body
Wed: off
Thurs: upper body
Fri: off
Sat: lower body
Sun: off
That will work, but a good percentage of people will end up over-reached on that type of split.
On the 3 day split, there's also room for you in there to engage in other activities besides training and it's not gonna screw you up to such an extent....wanna play basketball, voleyball, etc? Most people do. but if they're already pushing their recovery from their training all that extra activity will do is push them into the zone where they're not making gains due to under-recovery.
al420 said:Thought I would stop by and let you know I hung up my gym shoes...traded them for some wooden soled addidas.
I started training at the local Oly gym today, so no more BS'ing around for me. Your journal helped me make the decision.
JohnRobHolmes said:I dont think I have ever been able to sense my CNS fatigue like you do. How has the jump training been going over the last year in your option?

youngguns said:awesome journal!
That is a sign of increased cortisol. Interestingly enough, for those that get cold sores the virus that causes cortisol normally lies dormant.....but it actually has receptors for cortisol....thus explaining why most people who get cold sores get them after a stressful period. I used to always get them when sleep deprived or after competition of any sort...now I know why
Initially with Gray, we were doing rehab after he broke his fibula in a game. Then when he was actually able to perform some weight room work we did a one month block of basic strength. From there, we pretty much followed Kelly B's VJ bible. I did add EMS during several blocks and we performed a whole lot of visualization usually post-workout or on its own.
I believe the critical aspects of his training came through monitoring his CNS intensive sessions and resting him when I felt he needed it. Many may be familiar with the notion that 48 hrs is considered the "minimum" rest break between high intensity workouts. Like many aspects in training, this is highly individual and you must keep in mind everything that is on an athletes plate. In Gray's case, we took as much time as I felt he needed to come back and perform at the appropriate level. There is no exact answer here. This is something that has taken me 15 + years to become proficient at and is the art of good coaching.
Basketball players are notorious for playing ball day after day and for hours upon hours. Gray was no different! During intensive training blocks, I limited the number of actual games he could play per week and allowed for a some skills sessions depending on time, recovery etc.
I can think of one statement I've heard by a few great coaches who influenced me in the past: "Do as much as necessary, not as much as possible"! Words to live by in this game my friends!
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