Could I get away with tren in my second cycle?

[Reps For Jesus]

I think you will be fine. Actually, by looking at your cycle.. adding tren could have a great benefit. I'd run it from weeks 7-12. This will help you blast through myostatin so you can continue making lean gains for the entire 12 weeks. 50 mg ED, or 100 mg eod is fine.

1-12 Test 300mg/week
1-12 Primo 600mg/week
7-12 Tren Ace 100mg/eod
7-14 Anavar 60-80mg/day

 

[-SD-]

Okay I guess I'm just gonna postpone it for my third or maybe even fourth cycle.. And wats this about tren potentially makin ur heart explode?!

all steroid usage over long term has the potential to cause left ventricular hypertrophy. its part of the risk just all the other side effects. I dont think tren causes any more or less potential for that particular side than any other.

Anyhow, good idea for waiting. I would say wait until youve run at least 5 cycles utilizing stacks with gear like deca, EQ, dbol, wonky, var, etc.
tren is something to build up to, once you try it you aint going back to weaker sauce. That being said you want to maximize the lesser gear cycles beforehand to get the most out of tren later on.

Kinda like if you just got your pilots license, you wouldnt jump from a cesna to a F-18 fighter jet would you?

 

[Reps For Jesus]

Alright guys.. don't flame me too much for this response.

I don't understand this whole "you're not ready for tren" non sense. Basically I think it comes down to.. you are either ready for it or you're not. There are plenty of guys that have many cycles under their belt before they try tren; and then when they try it, it is too much for them. Then there are the guys that jump on the tren bandwagon for their first cycle and they are totally fine with it. I think that you should see how foreign hormones act in your body before trying tren, but after that.. why wait? Now, don't give me all of this genetic potential bullshit.. or that it is for the big boys only. The majority of us juice because we want to be bigger, stronger, faster than the next person.. or look sexy as fuck naked. Either way, we chose to go this route because we don't want to achieve our goals 5-6 years from now.. we want instant gratification. If your training and diet are on point.. we know what steroids can achieve! That is why we use them!! Now we all agree that tren is the king, it fits your goals whether your cutting or bulking. It will transform your body like nothing else. So why the fuck should someone wait 5 years to try it? You can either handle it or you can't. We can all give our advice to him, but at the end of the day we are not him! What if he can handle tren just fine.. but doesn't decide to use it because we all told him to wait? He then missed out on something great all because of someones opinion. Only he will know if he is ready or not. This is not rocket science. Start with tren ace at a low to moderate dose. You will know within a week or two if you can handle it or not. If everything is well.. then continue. If you don't like it then stop. It's that simple.

 

[RickRock13]

Alright guys.. don't flame me too much for this response.

I don't understand this whole "you're not ready for tren" non sense. Basically I think it comes down to.. you are either ready for it or you're not. There are plenty of guys that have many cycles under their belt before they try tren; and then when they try it, it is too much for them. Then there are the guys that jump on the tren bandwagon for their first cycle and they are totally fine with it. I think that you should see how foreign hormones act in your body before trying tren, but after that.. why wait? Now, don't give me all of this genetic potential bullshit.. or that it is for the big boys only. The majority of us juice because we want to be bigger, stronger, faster than the next person.. or look sexy as fuck naked. Either way, we chose to go this route because we don't want to achieve our goals 5-6 years from now.. we want instant gratification. If your training and diet are on point.. we know what steroids can achieve! That is why we use them!! Now we all agree that tren is the king, it fits your goals whether your cutting or bulking. It will transform your body like nothing else. So why the fuck should someone wait 5 years to try it? You can either handle it or you can't. We can all give our advice to him, but at the end of the day we are not him! What if he can handle tren just fine.. but doesn't decide to use it because we all told him to wait? He then missed out on something great all because of someones opinion. Only he will know if he is ready or not. This is not rocket science. Start with tren ace at a low to moderate dose. You will know within a week or two if you can handle it or not. If everything is well.. then continue. If you don't like it then stop. It's that simple.

I actually agree with you bro. The main thing that concerns me is the noobs that want to use it, not knowing what they are doing, how to run proper supports, PCT, etc.

If someone has enough knowledge of what they are doing, I dont see a problem with guys running Tren. As you said, nobody knows how they will react until they try it. Doesnt matter if its a year or 20 years down the road. I'm one of the lucky ones, as I have nearly zero sides (other than a little night sweats) on Tren at 400mg per week.

 

[MaxxReps]

I may get flamed too but I am going to try it for my second cycle. I'm older, don't have years and years of cycling ahead of me and who knows when I may injure myself and it will all be over. Plan to use a short ester and if its too much then just stop - at least then you'll know.

I am not a competitive bodybuilder and don't have much use for bodybuilding drugs (winny/anavar) just want to gain mass. I was torn between npp and deca but since they both need similar ancilaries and have a similar risk profile decided FUCK IT give it a shot. If its too much for me, I'll run npp.

Good luck bro

 

[bonacris]

We can help him out with by sharing our experience. Let him make up his own mind.. who ever had run tren could all chime in with how they felt and how they would do their cycle differently etc

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[stevesmi]

okay you guys are missing the injury thing though.

if you use something like tren that is a fast roid which adds mass and strength in a very short time think about the trauma you are putting your body through.

once you start getting nagging injuries they can become chronic.

so a much better option for a 2nd cycle would be primo or EQ.. something that is a slow builder that won't wreak your joints, ligaments and tendons.

lets say after 4 or 5 cycles you reach a point where you are legitimately stuck and its hard to get better than its time to hit the tren to push you over the top to the next level.

also the downside to tren is when you come off you get a boomerang effect especially with strength.. anyone who claims this to not be true doesn't train for strength because tren takes me to ridiculous levels of strength where i have no where to go but down when i come off! so it can be a real mind fuck on a 2nd cycle to come down from there

 

[Reps For Jesus]

I think if you have a muscular base, then the joint injuries are not too much of a concern. Now if you are as skinny as a rail and put on 20 pounds of muscle in a short time.. that is a different story. But, that could be true for almost all steroids.. not just tren.

I am not saying telling him to wait is wrong, in fact that is excellent advice. I am just saying that steroids are different for everyone, so he really needs to find out for himself.

Also.. about the strength issue. I train for aesthetics, so tren is different in that regard to me. But I can understand what you are saying about the strength dropping off and how losing your gains could suck.

 

[stevesmi]

I think if you have a muscular base, then the joint injuries are not too much of a concern. Now if you are as skinny as a rail and put on 20 pounds of muscle in a short time.. that is a different story. But, that could be true for almost all steroids.. not just tren.

I am not saying telling him to wait is wrong, in fact that is excellent advice. I am just saying that steroids are different for everyone, so he really needs to find out for himself.

Also.. about the strength issue. I train for aesthetics, so tren is different in that regard to me. But I can understand what you are saying about the strength dropping off and how losing your gains could suck.

20 pounds of muscle? not gonna happen.

20 pounds total of fat, water, muscle then yes happens all the time with newbs who run tren or deca/dbol when they are below their natural potential. and then those guys complain about nagging injuries. when you improve too fast its gonna happen, doesn't matter what sport it is.

thats why i told the OP.. run 200mg a week of ACE and cap it at only 6 weeks IF he decides to do it. thats exaclty what i did when i first ran tren and i recovered great.. next time around he can shoot for 8 weeks and go from there

 

[BEAST420]

I'm gonna hold off till my 3rd cycle for tren after reading this just bc I do want to test out some better hormones that just wonky (haha) .. I've been reading on eq, and it sounds pretty dope. I already have the primo var and test on hand. I've decided to kickstart with the var for 8 weeks as opposed to runnin the last 8 weeks... Whatwld eq add to my cycle in terms of gains.. I read its fairly safe riod so I am contemplating adding it in ..