Competition : Is this cycle right?

[arzhan]

Hi Bros.........

My friend whos a pro is 'vin a state level competition comin up on Nov 21st, say if he wins this it will be his third title in a row, and he's bustin his ass for it and frankly his life depends on this.

He'd started a cycle on Deca/Equipoise/DBol at 198lbs few weeks back...refer to 'THE ULTIMATE STACK' at the site
http://www.sustanon250.org/Cycles.htm
Its the 3rd week running and the questions are...

Observe in the cycle the last 3 weeks doesnt have DBol and thats when he expects to start cuttin down.....
***To start with is this the right cycle? What more can we add at the end of the cycle to water out?

***Is creatine advisable during cutting cycle? If yes when for best results, before or after workout?

***Are ANIMAL CUTS good enough for competition? What else can be recommended?

Any help will go a long long way bros.................very much appreciated.

 

[Stillgoing]

Questions:

1- You said he's a "pro". Based on what I see here I'm assuming you didn't mean that literally. Maybe you meant you think he's experienced, or, you think he's a good amateur bodybuilder? I'm curious. Please clarify.

2- Again, I'm curious, why does "his life depend on it"?

3- How many weeks out of the contest is he? I don't like the cycle if its a bulker before a cutter, and, I definitely don't like it if its a pre-contest cutter. Knowing how many weeks out will allow for providing more specific advice. But - for starters - deca/eq dosages are too low, they are similar drugs in effect so run one or the other in higher dose, if bulker before cutter, need to include test, if cutter, need to add one or two of: winny, fina, var, etc., if cutter need to drop deca.

 

[genarr3]

That's some very old school information. Old school isn't always better, sometimes it's just old. In this case it's just old. This is coming from an old school guy.

Do not pyramid Deca or EQ. They're half-lives are so long it doesn't make any sense. You don't need to "build up" the blood levels, they do it all on thier own. Keep the doses of those two drugs static.

That's a hella low EQ dose, I don't see any point in using less then 300mgs/week. This is coming from a low dose guy, most suggest nothing under 4 - 500mgs/week.

I have no idea what "ANIMAL CUTS" are.

BTW, I have no idea of what you mean by "Pro". This isn't a question a "Pro" would ask.

 

[psychedout]

Not a good choice of substances for precontest.

I would suggest he gets some tren/suspension/winny/var or something like that.

 

[IJ26]

If hes won the state title twice and hes asking these questions Im very surprised. Hell Id like to compete in that state, for precontest drugs he should be using all the products psyched out listed and he could use test till around 4 weeks out from what Ive heard. others will know more

 

[gilly6993]

I have no idea what you're talking about.....I do know that's not a very good pre contest cycle....

 

[arzhan]

ok..to clear out a bit we're from India. That should explain it all, as bodybuilding is one of the most expensive sport here and moreover we dont get all those supplements nd juices as you folks get. If u could believe megamass is all that we hear of and that is sold 4 times than it is in US (1 dollar is 47 Indian rupees). Also there is no test carried out prior to a competition unless its at National level.
My frnd is a pro in the sense he is in this field for the last 8 years, won 2 titles consecutively and is running for the third and his life depends on it because thats his job and thats what hes paid for. But we are not at all well informed. I being a software engineer and access to the internet and help from you people is all that I have to offer him.

Yeah I understand the cycle is weird so what can be done to set it right? He'd been in and out of juices but when I saw all these threads in the forum I smelt somethin is amiss in his cycle and want to help my friend.

As 'Stillgoing' said he is trying to bulk and then cut so it is a pre-contest cutter. Please dont mind if I ask stupid questions so long I'm educated. Y'day my frnd who came from Boston got me Prolab's NLarge2. Can he take this between meals?

PLEASE HELP ME OUT ON THE CYCLE INFORMATION (best precontest cycle)

Thanks for the time....it just makes me feel how small the world is.

 

[IHateCrunches]

Pro at 198lbs? i was 198 when i played high school football..

 

[dzulboy]

he won using that omg where does he compete i am moving there

 

[arzhan]

Ok his biceps measure 19.5 inches so was that how much urs measured when u were playin futball? Please....will there be some value addition than just blanket statments?
Where are you bros..psychedout... Stillgoing ???

 

[DNIndustry]

"He'd started a cycle on Deca/Equipoise/DBol at 198lbs few weeks back...refer to 'THE ULTIMATE STACK' at the site
http://www.sustanon250.org/Cycles.htm
Its the 3rd week running and the questions are..."


I hate to break it bro... But these are some of the worst most poorly designed cycles I have ever seen!!

 

[Stillgoing]

Bros - I think we can stop the flaming now. The guy's from India and he certainly doesn't know all our little lingo. So, lets just try and help:

arzhan -

- How many weeks out from his show is he?

- What gear do you have access to?

If this is a cycle before the pre-contest cutter, then I would run something simple like: Test cyp or enanth 600mg per week, deca or EQ 600mg per week, maybe with a dbol ramp up. Once you get to 10-12wks out, you should switch to compounds like: test prop, test suspension, fina, winny, var, anadrol & maybe Eq.

Answer the above questions and we'll try and help further.

 

[gilly6993]

Bros - I think we can stop the flaming now. The guy's from India and he certainly doesn't know all our little lingo. So, lets just try and help:

well said....this guy is trying to help his friend out.....lay off the flames

 

[nuh_mizer]

Y'day my frnd who came from Boston got me Prolab's NLarge2. Can he take this between meals?

Yes, between meals. Nlarge2 is good stuff. I doi about 2 shakes a day when bulking.

 

[arzhan]

Thanks for the understanding buddy. As to your questions

- How many weeks out from his show is he?
The show is on Nov 22nd so he has got 38 days(5 weeks) from today. I've asked him to stay put on the cycle till I get some info from you guys.

- What gear do you have access to?
We have access to anadrol, menobol, dbol, deca, sustanon, equipoise.

Bro the idea is he wants to bulk up and then cut, like staying in the same weight. But is the time too short for this?
Also when you say Test..can I replace it with Sustanon?

Can I chat with any of you guys? my yahoo id is [email protected]

Waiting for your reply.

 

[Stillgoing]

Thanks for the understanding buddy. As to your questions

- How many weeks out from his show is he?
The show is on Nov 22nd so he has got 38 days(5 weeks) from today. I've asked him to stay put on the cycle till I get some info from you guys.

- What gear do you have access to?
We have access to anadrol, menobol, dbol, deca, sustanon, equipoise.

Bro the idea is he wants to bulk up and then cut, like staying in the same weight. But is the time too short for this?
Also when you say Test..can I replace it with Sustanon?

Can I chat with any of you guys? my yahoo id is [email protected]

Waiting for your reply.

Bro - time is way too short to bulk & then cut. I'm suprised he doesn't know this. In fact, he needs to be close to being ready now. I don't know what menobol is, but, the only ones I would run at this point are the anadrol and the eq from the list you put up. And this is far from optimal. If this guy is a top competitor, I can't believe these types of questions are coming up at this point. 5 weeks is just too short to do much. If he is not close to being ready now, I'd consider doing another show.

 

[gilly6993]

5 weeks.....he should be almost ready....doesn't look good IMO

 

[arzhan]

Yeah I understand, we're poorly informed, but believe me hes in great shape...I shall post his pics in a day or 2.

Can you please give me a cycle to run the Anadrol and Equi? The equi we have is water based.

 

[gilly6993]

Yeah I understand, we're poorly informed, but believe me hes in great shape...I shall post his pics in a day or 2.

Can you please give me a cycle to run the Anadrol and Equi? The equi we have is water based.

water based EQ

 

[flex2win]

well said....this guy is trying to help his friend out.....lay off the flames

exactly, i don't think he's trying to be a dick...just needs help..but i still wouldn't use that cycle precontest...

 

[Stillgoing]

Yeah I understand, we're poorly informed, but believe me hes in great shape...I shall post his pics in a day or 2.

Can you please give me a cycle to run the Anadrol and Equi? The equi we have is water based.

Like Gilly said, I've never heard of water based eq. Anyway - I guess I'd run anadrol at 50-100mg ED and the eq around 100mg ED if its water based?? Are you sure its not test suspension or winny or something??

 

[arzhan]

QUOTE : Like Gilly said, I've never heard of water based eq. Anyway - I guess I'd run anadrol at 50-100mg ED and the eq around 100mg ED if its water based?? Are you sure its not test suspension or winny or something??

Bro should he take this till the last week of the competition? How to taper this? We dont get test/suspension.....

sorry for bein a pain

 

[stonecold54]

I think what the "guys" are saying is that he is on his own on this contest. he should already have the mass he wants and his cutting up should have already started. I understand the language and culture barrier but you have to give more complete sentences and your posts should be more complete. obviously we are all confused because none of us have heard of water-based eq and a lot of your info is old, he would need a complete re-education on training and steroids. that would take too much time and wouldn't work on a discussion board. I don't think these questions will help your bro much. he needs to just diet down and compete how he is. good luck.

 

[Stillgoing]

I think what the "guys" are saying is that he is on his own on this contest. he should already have the mass he wants and his cutting up should have already started. I understand the language and culture barrier but you have to give more complete sentences and your posts should be more complete. obviously we are all confused because none of us have heard of water-based eq and a lot of your info is old, he would need a complete re-education on training and steroids. that would take too much time and wouldn't work on a discussion board. I don't think these questions will help your bro much. he needs to just diet down and compete how he is. good luck.

Fair point.

 

[genarr3]

QUOTE : Like Gilly said, I've never heard of water based eq. Anyway - I guess I'd run anadrol at 50-100mg ED and the eq around 100mg ED if its water based?? Are you sure its not test suspension or winny or something??

Bro should he take this till the last week of the competition? How to taper this? We dont get test/suspension.....

sorry for bein a pain

Sustenon is "test". However a long acting one. In five weeks it isn't going to help much. I don't see alot of point in using it unless you frontloaded 1000mgs for the first two weeks. But then water is going to be a problem.

With only five weeks left and your choices of steroids, you're in a tight spot.

Are you sure the EQ is water based? I'm not saying it isn't possible, I really don't know. I never heard of it, and there aren't too many steroids I haven't heard of. If in fact is, or maybe even if it isn't that's your best bet. That and either the Anadrol or Dianabol.
As to drying out just prior to the comp, there are more informed members here then I on the subject, so I won't comment on it.

The stacks on the site you posted forget about. They are outdated. Not exactly cutting edge stuff there.

The reason you took some heat on the "Pro" thing is that's an actual designation in this country. You have to earn your Pro card. It takes years. You just can't call yourself a "Pro". It was just assumed you were US based.

As to him weighing 198, anyone criticizing that should familiarize themselves with the term "weight classes".

Posting pictures of him would help greatly. Seeing how lean he is now is of great importance.

 

[rvd_brock]

Random, off-topic question. How fast acting is test enanth?

 

[gilly6993]

Random, off-topic question. How fast acting is test enanth?

it's not fast acting....very slow

 

[flex2win]

Random, off-topic question. How fast acting is test enanth?

usually around week 3-4 is what it has taken for me in the past...

 

[arzhan]

QUOTE "........ I understand the language and culture barrier but you have to give more complete sentences and your posts should be more complete. obviously we are all confused because none of us have heard of water-based eq and a lot of your info is old, he would need a complete re-education on training and steroids. that would take too much time and wouldn't work on a discussion board. I don't think these questions will help your bro much. he needs to just diet down and compete how he is. good luck."
.....................................................................................................
What you are saying is true buddy. As you said where do I get to know all the information? Most of the times I keep searching in Google..and as you say the cycles are old and non-standard, only talkin to you guys I realize the wealth of it all.

I spoke to my frnd y'day, hes runnig the Eq 100mg/day and stickin on to DBol till the second last week. We do get testosterone enanthate here...so can he stack this along with Equi and DBol? And How? But you say its slow acting so...

Thanks all of you anyways.

 

[gilly6993]

I would not use the enan so close to the show and besides starting it now won't do you much good.....the dbol will be fine IF AND ONLY IF you have a good anti e, otherwise it'll cause him to hold water which is not good....

 

[Stillgoing]

I would not use the enan so close to the show and besides starting it now won't do you much good.....the dbol will be fine IF AND ONLY IF you have a good anti e, otherwise it'll cause him to hold water which is not good....

Yeah, if he's running this water based eq 100mg ED and dbol now, with 5wks to go, I would either stay with this, jumping off the dbol ATLEAST 2wks out, or switch to anadrol (I would do this if I were you) and run it to, what Gilly, one week out? Anti-e or not, you don't want to take the water risk with the dbol to close to the show. Post some pics, I'm curious what this dude looks like....

 

[arzhan]

Ok bro....
Equi 100mg/day till the day of competition(for whole 5 weeks)
DBol 50mg/day till the 4th week
When to take the anti e in this cycle and which would you suggest?

Thanks bro..........

 

[gilly6993]

Yeah, if he's running this water based eq 100mg ED and dbol now, with 5wks to go, I would either stay with this, jumping off the dbol ATLEAST 2wks out, or switch to anadrol (I would do this if I were you) and run it to, what Gilly, one week out? Anti-e or not, you don't want to take the water risk with the dbol to close to the show. Post some pics, I'm curious what this dude looks like....

I ran the drol to the wed before the show with no problems.....and you're right about the dbol, stop it 2 weeks out

 

[Stillgoing]

Ok bro....
Equi 100mg/day till the day of competition(for whole 5 weeks)
DBol 50mg/day till the 4th week
When to take the anti e in this cycle and which would you suggest?

Thanks bro..........

If it were me, I'd go off the eq a week out and go off the dbol 2wks out, regardless of anti-e. Your not going to lose size in the last week and its not worth the water risk. For anti-e, I'll let someone else comment. Proviron would be nice as a hardener, if not that than nolv, but I don't know if you would also run an anti-arom like Arim. When I competed the third generation blockers weren't out yet, so, I have no personal experience with them for show prep.

 

[arzhan]

Got it all bros......
DBol till 3rd week & Equi till 4th week
One last thing I'm waitin for is the anti e. How much to take and in which week?
I'm curious about this..anadrol is stronger than DBol right? If thats the case how come Anadrol can be taken till the last week and not DBol?

I should be hittin the gym now ...7.35pm. And sure I'll post his pics..

 

[Stillgoing]

Got it all bros......
DBol till 3rd week & Equi till 4th week
One last thing I'm waitin for is the anti e. How much to take and in which week?
I'm curious about this..anadrol is stronger than DBol right? If thats the case how come Anadrol can be taken till the last week and not DBol?

I should be hittin the gym now ...7.35pm. And sure I'll post his pics..

Dbol vs anadrol. Don't know the technical answer, only from personal experience. Anadrol allows you to stay full & hard w/o water retention. Dbol just creates some water retention.

 

[arzhan]

One last thing I'm waitin for is the anti e. How much to take and in which week?
........Thanks bros

 

[genarr3]

One last thing I'm waitin for is the anti e. How much to take and in which week?
........Thanks bros

What do you have available?
Nolvadex
Arimidex
Letrozole

 

[arzhan]

I've got the Nolvadex, clomid ....

 

[genarr3]

10 - 20mgs Nolvadex while using the Dianabol, and maybe a week past. You don't need it for the EQ.
Start at 10 and adjust it depending on whether you're retaining too much water. The less Nolva the better.
This may not even be needed. Depends on the dose and how he reacts to it. But you definitely should have it on hand.

 

[arzhan]

Thanks genarr3. I was goin thr' some posts and was wondering ...whatz the diff. between Clomid and Nolvadex? As I presume, are they simliar?

Also what would be a typical cutting cycle stack to go on the 4th and 5th week?

 

[arzhan]

Hi bros...I'm back with a few more questions...
Y'day checked out in the local drug store, and found out we get Test Suspension, winny(stanazolol),nolva,clomid.
This is the 2nd week for him...and as you guyz said he's on
deca/enanthate/dbol.

From week 4 he's stoppin the DBol and takin anadrol till the competition week (week5).

I read in an article that Suspension has a fast acting ester and can be had even on competition day. is this true?

My question is can he stop the enanthate at week 3 and run the suspension from week4 till the competition day? If yes how much?

Also is suspension a cutter? Thankd for all help bros...

 

[Stillgoing]

Thanks genarr3. I was goin thr' some posts and was wondering ...whatz the diff. between Clomid and Nolvadex? As I presume, are they simliar?

Also what would be a typical cutting cycle stack to go on the 4th and 5th week?

Regarding a competition cycle, use Nolvadex. DO NOT USE CLOMID. Yes they are similar, but you do not use clomid precontest. Run the nolvadex at 20mg ED.

 

[Stillgoing]

Hi bros...I'm back with a few more questions...
Y'day checked out in the local drug store, and found out we get Test Suspension, winny(stanazolol),nolva,clomid.
This is the 2nd week for him...and as you guyz said he's on
deca/enanthate/dbol.

From week 4 he's stoppin the DBol and takin anadrol till the competition week (week5).

I read in an article that Suspension has a fast acting ester and can be had even on competition day. is this true?

My question is can he stop the enanthate at week 3 and run the suspension from week4 till the competition day? If yes how much?

Also is suspension a cutter? Thankd for all help bros...

First of all, if you can walk into a drug store and get winny, I'm very jealous.

Based on this new info, here is what he should do:

Starting right now, go on the following:

- Suspension 50mg ED
- Winny 50mg ED
- Anadrol 50mg ED
- Nolvadex 20mg ED

Some may suggest higher dosages, but, to me this is plenty. You can run this stack up real close to the show. You could go to Wednesday before easily.

 

[arzhan]

Thanks bro. That sure helps a lot. Besides in India you can buy drugs without a doc's prescription, thats makes things easy but then only if I know what to get

Winstrol is sold as menobol here. I got it by the chemical name..Stanazolol.

Whats the chemical name of liquidex? How diff isit from Nolva?

 

[arzhan]

Also would nolva help in reducing the bloat and fat reduction?

 

[Stillgoing]

Thanks bro. That sure helps a lot. Besides in India you can buy drugs without a doc's prescription, thats makes things easy but then only if I know what to get

Winstrol is sold as menobol here. I got it by the chemical name..Stanazolol.

Whats the chemical name of liquidex? How diff isit from Nolva?

Liquidex = anastrozole

Liquidex, or arimidex suspended in water, is generally known as from the class of anti-aromatose, or third generation. Nolvadex is an anti-estrogen, second generation. Someone else can get technical with you regarding the differences.

If your buddy is gyno sensitive then that needs to be dealt with. If not, and all were talking about is water retention, the stack I proposed above will create virtually no water retention. Therefore, nothing is technically necessary. Now, that being said, Nolvadex is often used to assist as a hardener. Proviron is better, but, nolv works too. I don't believe arimidex, femara, aromasin, are used as much for this purpose. Therefore: recommendation from me would be for you to run the cycle exactly as I proposed above, to include nolvadex at 20mg ED.

 

[Stillgoing]

Also would nolva help in reducing the bloat and fat reduction?

Bloat yes, fat reduction no. However, again, on the cycle I proposed, bloat should not be an issue. And fat, if this guy is 5wks out, he should already have that taken care of.

BTW, you said you were going to post pics. Did you? If not, put them up.