Nelson Montana said:jb: Well, now we're getting a little closer. And yeah, this ain't rocket science so all we have is our reasoning and that's what I've presented.
>>Agreed
You admit, it's been proven cardio isnt necessary for fat loss. Agreed.
>>agreed
You also say that some people use it for cariovascular benifits. I say it isn't necessary if you weight train in a variety of methods and lead an active lifestyle. Maybe you somewhat agree.
>>I agree with that also, although moderate cardio(active lifestyle?) can a positive addition, like your bike ride thru manhattan(or whereever)
This is the thing:
You, and many others who seems to share your opinion, look at it as "why not?" I look at it as a "why?" -- considering all the negitive reprecussions that come from traditional aerobic activity. Is there a better way? I say yes.
>>There are many ways to do cardio including walking, cycling, snowshoing, the list goes on forvever and not all are negatively impacting your joints. My problem with adding extra weight training is overtraining, a concept that i am painfully aware of. If you are suggesting say additional light weights high reps for a sustained period of time, right on, as you point out your body does not care if it is on a bike or doing light weight leg presses, same effect.
If some people feel better doing it, fine. But people feel better by not eating meat, or praying, or watching reality shows -- none of which is particulary logical or beneficial.
>>this is where you stop making sense, likening going for a five mile walk or five mile bike ride to watching a reality show, come back to us now.
That's my whole stance: We all have a finite amount of energy expenditure from which we can recover. Is aerobic activity worth that expenditure, or can an alternative be used which produces the same benefits, in addition to other benefits, without the negitive side effects? Again, I say yes.
>>I think this is just where we agree to disagree, i believe that there are a large number of us that have tried just WT and diet and it was just not effective for whatever reason to achieve our goals. For me and many others apparently, the addition of a reasonable amount of cardio enables us to lose that extra X% of bodyfat within a diet that we can live with and still train to the desired level of intensity that brings about the desired results.
I've outlined the basic premise. But I'll repeat (for the 1000000000h time) I am not here to spoon feed every bit of evidence I've ammassed over the last 30 years to everyone who requests it on demand. And they they pissed if I don't comply! I only have so much time in the day and I do my best. If that isn't enough I'm sorry.
I'd like to see how comprehensive you or anyone else can be when you have dozens of e-mails to answer everyday (for free) along with consultaions, sessions, research, writing, and managing a career completely seperate from bodybuilding. Hey! Maybe I should write a book!
>>I think this post is a great response on your part, clear concise, and informative. I really much prefer to discuss the merits of the question at hand without the perjoratives and my respect quotient for you goes up after all it is not written that all must agree on all approaches, the important thing is that we all continue to personally grow towards our goals striving to improve the best way we know how. To the extent that you facilitate that, i applaude you, when i think you might be wrong, i mention it!
I also congratulate you on dealing with the enormous amount of emails you get and the other work pressures and appreciate your taking time to have these interesting discussions.
You know that book thing might be something you should look in to! GRIN
jb
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