CARDIO is a WASTE of TIME and ENERGY!!!

[Whatmatters]

Who's in for some....


WM"Just say NO to Aerobics!"

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WM

 

[Debaser]

Okay I've seen this argument on here plenty of times. Here are some points I'd like to throw out there for Nelson:

1. You say weight-training is a more efficient/better way to burn calories. However, I train 3 days a week (intensely), am I going to add 4-6 ADDITIONAL sessions? This is ludicrous and you would obviously overtrain.

2. I follow DC's recommendations. He is a strong believer in using cardio to burn off bodyfat, and not alter his diet much, except for perhaps an earlier carb cut-off time. If I stop ingesting carbs (or only trace amounts) after 5PM, then my glycogen stores are depleted by the time I wake up the next morning. Then I wake up and do 45 minutes walking on an incline treadmill. I will burn bodyfat as a result of the lacking glycogen. He has personally ripped up many people, by just upping their cardio sessions. Explain this for me. He has also witnessed many a bodybuilder LOSE TONS OF MUSCLE BY LOWERING THEIR CALORIES TO BURN FAT. By not dipping into a caloric deficit, he has had several trainees maintain of even add some muscle while they're cutting. And if you say anything about roids again, I'll laugh my ass off because you seem to ignore this every time someone posts about his methods: "the vast majority of his trainees are clean"

 

[gwl9dta4]

Okay I've seen this argument on here plenty of times. Here are some points I'd like to throw out there for Nelson:

1. You say weight-training is a more efficient/better way to burn calories. However, I train 3 days a week (intensely), am I going to add 4-6 ADDITIONAL sessions? This is ludicrous and you would obviously overtrain.

2. I follow DC's recommendations. He is a strong believer in using cardio to burn off bodyfat, and not alter his diet much, except for perhaps an earlier carb cut-off time. If I stop ingesting carbs (or only trace amounts) after 5PM, then my glycogen stores are depleted by the time I wake up the next morning. Then I wake up and do 45 minutes walking on an incline treadmill. I will burn bodyfat as a result of the lacking glycogen. He has personally ripped up many people, by just upping their cardio sessions. Explain this for me. He has also witnessed many a bodybuilder LOSE TONS OF MUSCLE BY LOWERING THEIR CALORIES TO BURN FAT. By not dipping into a caloric deficit, he has had several trainees maintain of even add some muscle while they're cutting. And if you say anything about roids again, I'll laugh my ass off because you seem to ignore this every time someone posts about his methods: "the vast majority of his trainees are clean"

So how do you burn fat off your frame without dipping into a calorie deficit? This ought to be good, maybe he used magic? With that one comment you totally discredited yourself.

 

[gwl9dta4]

Okay I've seen this argument on here plenty of times. Here are some points I'd like to throw out there for Nelson:

1. You say weight-training is a more efficient/better way to burn calories. However, I train 3 days a week (intensely), am I going to add 4-6 ADDITIONAL sessions? This is ludicrous and you would obviously overtrain.

It's pretty clear that insted of workign harder you can accomplish this with dietary manipulation.

2. I follow DC's recommendations. He is a strong believer in using cardio to burn off bodyfat, and not alter his diet much, except for perhaps an earlier carb cut-off time. If I stop ingesting carbs (or only trace amounts) after 5PM, then my glycogen stores are depleted by the time I wake up the next morning. Then I wake up and do 45 minutes walking on an incline treadmill. I will burn bodyfat as a result of the lacking glycogen. He has personally ripped up many people, by just upping their cardio sessions. Explain this for me. He has also witnessed many a bodybuilder LOSE TONS OF MUSCLE BY LOWERING THEIR CALORIES TO BURN FAT.

The only reason the many a bodybuilder lost muscle is because they created too big a calorie deficit, simply put they fucked up their diet. Period, end of story.



By not dipping into a caloric deficit, he has had several trainees maintain of even add some muscle while they're cutting. And if you say anything about roids again, I'll laugh my ass off because you seem to ignore this every time someone posts about his methods: "the vast majority of his trainees are clean"

This i commented on in my other post, you seem to think there is some magic at work here. Calorie deficit is the only thing that will cause the usage of fat, too big a deficit and you loose more muscle, too little and you loose fat slowly, it's a balancing act, real simple.

 

[Debaser]

Well, you might call "using glycogen depletion to your advantage" magic, but I would much rather refer to it as "science." When I'm cutting on DC's diet, I am eating more comfortably (i.e. not bloated constantly) but I am in no way in a deficit.

 

[CanadianBro]

I guess after reading through the 180+ posts, I will finally post.

My experience over the past 17+ years of training, coaching and
mentoring has proven that cardiovascular activities such as
jogging, running, cycling, stationary bikes and treadmills are
extremely vital to keep the heart and vascular system at peak
performance HOWEVER....

These types of activities are not the IDEAL when it comes to
burning fat and retaining muscle mass.

Let's face it, most of us here are interested in maintaining a
physique that consists of the maximum amount of lean muscle
mass combined with a minimum amount of fat.

This type of physique is best achieved by combining a
structured nutritional program, a consistent resistance training
routine and high intensity cardiovascular exercise.

I personally have found that athletes that combine these
3 factors in their personal training routine achieve the desired
results of maximum muscle mass and minimum fat.

In fact, not one of the professional athletes I consulted with
ever did cardio exercises like jogging or cycling.

Their routines consisted of a clean diet, a intense resistance
training regimen and high intensity cardiovascular training
(wind sprints).

Also, if you look at the difference between a marathon runner
and a sprinter you will notice the difference in physiques.

Through their high intensity training routines, sprinters are able
to sustain their high amount of muscle mass and hold a minimal
amount of fat.

While the marathon runner also has very low amounts of body
fat, he is not able to carry the same amount of muscle mass as
a sprinter.

So to sum things up...running, cycling and jogging WILL allow
you to shed the fat. There is no doubt about it HOWEVER...
these types of activities WILL NOT allow you to sustain the
amount of muscle you currently have.

 

[DTOX]

I can't believe someone said that. That statement shows an appaling lack of understanding of fitness basics.

Please think about what you say, do you really believe that lifting weight in a circuit type fashion will cause you to somehow not stress the cardiaovascual system? YES or NO?

If you answer this question correctly, you will see Nelson's point.

Hahahahaha!!!

When was the last time anyone saw a BB doing circuit training!!!

I stand by my statement. Next time I see a BB in the gym doing circuit training for 45 min. then I'll edit my post!

 

[satchboogie]

180 plus posts and its my turn.

5"11, 190, 8%-10% bodyfat all year long.

the bottom line is.......

YOU DO NEED CARDIO!!!!

but the timing of it is critical and so is the intensity.

the only cardio i do (if you wanna call it that) is a moderate pace walk for 45 minutes about 4 times a week and at night. after that, i will not consume any carbs. so usually, the following 2 meals are high protein and little fat. again, the TIMING is critical here as you wanna deplete glycogen levels before sleep.

also, twice a week i will jump rope as a.m cardio. 1 minute sets. 1 minute rest. 10 sets equals 20 minutes of increased heartrate and an awesome short explosive session.
again, the TIMING here is critical as you're more likely to burn pure fat first thing in the a.m.

 

[Nelson Montana]

slobber: You inadvertantly proved the anti-aerobics stance. Jumping rope does NOT fit into the definition of aerobic. Aerobic is along sustained, low intensity activity. Robe jumping for one minute intervals is most definitely ANerobic -- closer to weight lifting where the HR jumps up quickly but only for a short while, which is MUCH BETTER for heart strength. Weight training IS cardio! (but prentend I didn't say that or all the pro-aerobicisers heads will explode).

DTOX: Get ready to retract your statement. I've spoken to many pros and although some still engage in aerobics (nobody said they were smart) many of them use a "circut training" type of workout. Higher reps, short rest etc.

Using the methods of the pros is absurd anyway. Their goals is to look good on a particular night, by any means possible. That has nothing to do with what most BB's do.

 

[Debaser]

I'm not ready to retract my statement, however, Nelson...because you never responded to it. DC has made lots of people ripped by keeping them on the diet that gave them all their muscle, and using cardio in the morning in a glycogen depleted state to take off bodyfat. He must be doing a pretty good job at it, considering he's personally trained hundreds (most of them clean) and I haven't heard one dissatisfied customer yet. But I guess you're right, cardio doesn't work. My bodyfat must be "magically" disappearing.