Can I lose fat eating carbs or not?

[vitor97]

Ms, COme on,

There is not a shred of evidence that a diet moderate in WHOLE grains, vegetables and legumes is bad for you

Once someone says they are eating carbs they are not talking about VEggies, beans or whole grains. THey are talking about crap food, junk food. He didnt say can I eat veggies to get cut he said carbs, Like most people, they think they can eat less calories no matter what the number of fats proteins or carbs is and lose weight, and to a certain extent this is true.

But the most efficent and cost effective way is high protein Low carbs. I dont know what you pay for protein but, I get 10lbs of PURE whey for 42$. IF your a female that could last u almost 4 months. I last me around 2. And if you cant spend 42$ every month or 2 on supplements then it is time for a career move.

Eggs are what 1.75 for a dozen.
Steak at my grocery store is around 2.75-4.99 per LB, if I goto Costco I can get 4 lbs of sirloin for like 10-12$ .

You water comment is true, the for every gram of carbs u consume the body holds .4grams of water.

 

[=w=]

Once someone says they are eating carbs they are not talking about VEggies, beans or whole grains. THey are talking about crap food, junk food.

Actually, when I here or say carbs I intend it to mean anything that contains carbohydrates (which includes whole wheats, veggies and legumes). In fact in my case, my diet is composed of all clean carbs (w/ the occasional junk carb just for kicks when it comes up). I would venture to say that most people on this board are like me in this regard too.

**And in response to the origional question:

Yes you can lose fat w/ carbs in your diet. Any diet in which calories are sub-maitanance will cause weight loss. You have to experiment with diff macro ratios to see which combo provides you with the optimal fat to muscle loss ratio. Everyone is different in this regard. I have lost a lot of weight with low carbs and I have recently had great results with a CID. I felt better on the CID and will use that again next time I am ready to cut. I may experiment some more later as well and find a new method that works for me even better. It is all about learning how your body works. The only constant is that you need to be hypocaloric. Good luck!

=w=

 

[Vageta]

Of course you can burn fat without carbs, I don't think any of the 70's-80's bodybuilders ever did any type of Keto diets yet they got ripped to shreds. The only low carbing they did was carb depleting before a show.

Anyone who tells you the only way to burn fat is to cut out carbs needs to take a time out and actually do some hardcore research on dieting and quit reposting what their favorite board hero writes. The absolute reason that most people think low carbing is better is due to water weight. When you have more carbs in your diet your weight will fluctuate a lot more during the week thus it's harder to gauge fat loss by the scale. On a low carb diet you water levels will stabilize in a few days and it's easier to see change. Also you will see a massive change in weight the first week on a low carb diet which makes people instantly think it works.

If someone who has been low carbing decides to give a higher carb diet a try they will be disheartened the first week because they didn't lose 8 pounds of water. Therefore they instantly think the diet sucks, they can't lose fat with carbs and abandon the diet without giving it a real chance. I know of NO ONE personally that HAS to be on a keto diet to lose weight. Limiting carbs is a good thing. I limit my carbs to 30% or so of my calories, but that still allows 180g a day. That's a hell of a lot less than the other 99% of the population eats per day and is still lower carb than average.

I will reiterate my statement that anyone who think that low carbing is the "only way" to lose fat needs to do some research and get off the bandwagon. There is nothing wrong with low carb diets, but you should choose to use them from preference not from desperation.

 

[MS]

vitor97, I live on a small island in the South Pacific. Protein is expensive and my income for full time work would convert to less than poverty line in the US. I do not live in poverty because many other things are cheaper here (such as wheat, rice, chick peas, barley and lentils, houses, electricity, etc...). I am delighted that so many of you Americans are so wealthy and overfed that you have to artificially limit you diets with expensive and environmentally taxing foods to keep from becoming grossly obese. However my statement still stands. Not all carbs are "crap" and anyone visiting this board will soon be set straight on the difference between a carb from a twinkie and a carb from barley vegetable soup. As I've said many times, there is nothing wrong with a high protein low carb diets per se. But I think it's sad that so many people can't control their food intake any other way. And there is nothing wrong with diets moderate in whole, natural carb sources, especially for bodybuilders. 6 billion people all eating a mainly meat diet would be a total planetary disaster, I don't care how lean and fit it makes them.........I am fortunate enough that I have tried a lot of different diets and know what works best for my body. And it ain't low carb.

 

[barnidge]

Do you have gyms in the South Pacific?

 

[THE BOUNCER]

vitor97, I live on a small island in the South Pacific. Protein is expensive and my income for full time work would convert to less than poverty line in the US. I do not live in poverty because many other things are cheaper here (such as wheat, rice, chick peas, barley and lentils, houses, electricity, etc...). I am delighted that so many of you Americans are so wealthy and overfed that you have to artificially limit you diets with expensive and environmentally taxing foods to keep from becoming grossly obese. However my statement still stands. Not all carbs are "crap" and anyone visiting this board will soon be set straight on the difference between a carb from a twinkie and a carb from barley vegetable soup. As I've said many times, there is nothing wrong with a high protein low carb diets per se. But I think it's sad that so many people can't control their food intake any other way. And there is nothing wrong with diets moderate in whole, natural carb sources, especially for bodybuilders. 6 billion people all eating a mainly meat diet would be a total planetary disaster, I don't care how lean and fit it makes them.........I am fortunate enough that I have tried a lot of different diets and know what works best for my body. And it ain't low carb.

I was agreeing with what you were saying until you started your "anti american campaign". True there are a lot of unhealthy people in america but that dosen't give you the right to put us all in the same boat. If everyone in america was so unhealthy and are diets didn't work, than why are so many of the top bodybuilders from america? Why do we pretty much dominate the Olimpics? We have the best athletes in the world, second to none! We must be doing something right!

 

[MS]

Apologies BOUNCER. It wasn't meant to be an "anti-American" campaign. I am an American citizen to be clear on this point. It was merely vitor's assumption that I must live in America and therefore had access to cheap protein and everything else that ALL people living in America have access to, including earning American dollars, bulk purchasing (eg Costco) etc...This is a common assumption on a lot of boards.

Yes we have gyms in my country, but no I don't belong to one. Funny how I manage to stay lean and muscular without access to a gym and eating so many nasty evil carbs LOL. My real point was a lifestyle/attitude one in which I find it very sad that affluent people ALL OVER the world have to contrive such artificial and expensive lifestyles and diets just to acheive what should be their birth right to good health. This has nothing to do with carbs versus proteins versus fat. It has everything to do with controlling excess in our lives, and dodging media and government attempts at brainwashing us about what's "good' and "bad" for us. Anyway, the answer still remains the same: You CAN lose fat with carbs in your diet.

 

[plornive]

MS,
Very good points. However, it's probably not just about not being able to control excess --- it's also related to the easy access that is shoved in everyone's face. The availability is just as much of a culprit as the excess consumption. Most urban centers in the world have easy and cheap access to both processed carbs and meat.

Agriculture is not exactly easy on land, either. I believe that it is possible to eat a high-protein diet that is just as ecologically responsible as a diet based on whole grains and legumes.

Besides, I nor anyone else really cares what is ecologically responsible --- we are looking to be ripped, and that's basically it.

Anyway, I don't mean to berate you, as you have given some of the most straight-forward advice of anyone on this board. Thanks for opening my eyes to the obvious regarding meal frequency.

 

[MS]

"Besides, I nor anyone else really cares what is ecologically responsible --- we are
looking to be ripped, and that's basically it. "

I care very much plornive, but you're right that it has nothing to do with a BB discussion board. You can get ripped on almost any diet that has enough protein and limited cals, just as the BBs of a decade or two ago routinely did. And my comment about avoiding excess was actually about having it "shoved down your throat" and "easily available". This is what folks have to struggle against 24/7. Ask yourself why a twinkie is cheaper than a cup of barley vegetable soup in America if you want to get to the bottom of it all. But this is all off topic.

"I believe that it is possible to eat a
high-protein diet that is just as ecologically responsible as a diet based on whole
grains and legumes."

Umm yeah, but what's "possible" and what's actually happening are 2 different things. BTW I also think modern large scale agricultural practices need to be revamped too, not just meat growing.

You will all continue to eat whatever you please. I am merely reminding folks that people were lean and muscular before ketogenic diets became trendy, and low carb diets are not essential for fat loss. This is not an opinion, it's a fact.

 

[Haz]

I'm with you MS. I used to be a broke ass college kid, and couldn't afford protein except for canned tuna and cheap whey supplements. Thats why I stuck with carbs as my fuel source, even when cutting. I still got good results, calories are more important than macro nutrient ratios.