Bench issue.... i dont understand it

[Phenotype X]

The nervous system DOES play a role in muscle contraction and stimulation, but it does not play largely significant in muscle adaptation,(not as much as you think). People who bench everyday most likely do not go to failure, especially if no recovery time is needed. As muscle fibers become taxed everyday, they will not gain the proper amount of growth, rather overtraining,(as everyone knows) What I'm trying to say is that they probably don't go to failure, or they just don't do it everyday. Maybe a day or two of intensity, followed by a relaxing, ROUTINE workout day. Without the recovery, you simply will not make the gains you had mentioned.

 

[goldenone]

The Max Effort method is considered by many coaches and athletes as the superior method of strength development. It places great demands on both intramuscular and intermuscular coordination and well as stimulating the muscular and central nervous system. These demands force the body into greater adaptation. This adaptation is what is responsible for great strength gains. When training using the Max Effort Method, the central nervous system inhibition is reduced, thus max number of motor units are activated with optimal discharge frequency (Zatsiorisky). The one drawback to using this method is that you cannot train with weights above 90 percent for much longer than one to three weeks before the nervous system begins to weaken. When this happens, your strength will begin to diminish. This is one of the major reasons why progressive overload training will only work for so long. With this in mind, and knowing that this method is great for the development of strength, you have to find a way around this three-week barrier. The way to overcome it is to switch the exercise used for the Max Effort Method every one to three weeks, thus allowing the body to recover. This keeps the body fresh so the method can be used year-round.

Quote by dave tate http://www.musclemonthly.com/articles/001215/001215-tate-westside-powerlifting.htm

 

[Phenotype X]

great post goldenone

 

[flex-mb]

The type of training that goldenone and ZZuluZ is talking about is the same tyoe of training that Olympic Lifters employ (I wonder if the US Olympic Team is emloying anything similar?). Nearly every Eastern Block Country, Former Soviet Republic and the Chinese train 6 and 7 days a week twice a day. These guys all work on Speed and Strength. Where do you think Louie got all of his ideas (he credits these guys all of the time)? This type of program/trainng is NOT original, Western thought!

 

[1-dawg]

First off, not to slam your partners but going from 185 to 285 is really not that big of a deal. Now if he went from 550 to 650 in a year then that is a big deal. When you first start lifting you will gain just by going into the gym and touching weights. This is even more true with young lifters.

Flex, you are right -- they train everyday but what can confuse the youngsters is that it is not balls to the wall training everyday. Even the Oly lifters don't go all out everyday, esp on something as silly as teh bench. Oly lifters rely heavily on speed which is mainly done with lighter weights. The eastern guys also rotate their exercises much like wsb.

 

[flex-mb]

Good follow up 1-dawg. Even though they are not doing extremely heavy work day in and day out, training 6 and 7 days a week kills those guys in the long run. Almost every Olympic Lifter only lasts about 8 - 10 years, some even less. The good ones like Akakios Kakhiasvilis and Naim Suleymanoglu have defied the odds and medaled in three, consecutive games. Powerlifters train a little bit differtently and have much longer careers.

1-Dawg - I may be in Orlando in the next two months. If I can talk the wife into letting me go off on my own for a half day, then I will try to train over there with you on the 'space coast' one morning or afternoon.

 

[1-dawg]

That would be great. Just let me know when.

 

[Deciever]

maybe the guys benching everyday are newbies... i know when i started lifting i could bench everyday and still make gains