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Adding inches to arms

Tom, i totally understand your logic, BUT remember... there is not one set of scientific findings for every question. this happens in medicine a lot- the scientific outcome is directly related to the potential revenue of the pharmaceutical company. Or in law- the prosecution and defense will each come up with a different set of scientific outcomes.

also... you are young, i know. there are times when science can say whatever they want, the truth lies in experience.

johnrobholmes: thanks. :)
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Sugar, I apologize. I was joking around with a friend of mine as I wrote that post and kind've just let that slip in there - I don't support the idea that women are more illogical or irrational than men - just a greater percentage I've known have been more so, so I tease people about that. Do I actually believe it to hold true all the time? Not at all.

Anyway - wnt2b, I never said I was great or anything, so stop making me out to seem arrogant, 'cause I think I'm far enough from it.

I want to stick to science because I feel secure in it. I like empirical data that comes to solid conclusions as to why something works. Maybe HST will have some of its principles disproven in the future, which will show the science wasn't perfect. Taking the gamble that it is in fact perfect, I stick with it, because once science has been proven...you can't disprove it. Maybe it's not 100%, but after the results I and others have seen on it, it's hard for me to say that it isn't the best method around for size alone.

your posts are very arrogant bro..especially when you dont come on here for a week and then come into a thread and drop a bomb..your buddy debaser does the exact same thing..

HST works never said it didnt..glad your getting results..But there is more than one way to skin a cat..that is the part i am trying to get you to see..i am not asking you to change your training style..

Im actually just tired of this whole thing to the point where i dont wann post here anymore..i mod at another board and post at a few others..and it just isnt worth it for me to have to defend my posts like this...last time i looked this is elitefitness right not the hst board?
 
How are my posts arrogant? Elaborate.

No one said it was the HST board. Doesn't mean I can't talk about HST. You don't have to defend your posts. You could leave it alone. You choose to continue discussing it, and I enjoy that. A debate is fine, so long as it doesn't get heated and become a flame war.

I live a busy life, normally. There are gaps where I have a lot of time free, so I post when I can, then I'll disappear for awhile. So what? Keeping track of when I'm here and when I'm not? Pfft.
 
Jeremy82587 said:
Hey guys. I was wondering how long it takes to add an inch to your arms. I know it takes proper training and nutrition, and genetics have role to play also. But I am solid in my training and diet, and I'm 17. So how long should I expect it to take to add about an inch, or a half inch?? Thanks PS:
What exercise are best in your opinion for adding mass to the arm?

Adding an inch in a year is a good goal to shoot for IMO.

If I were you, i'd train arms (and everything else) every 4-5 days.

Arms should be like this:
1)Skull crushers 4x6
2)Overhead db extension 4x 10

1) Barbell curls 4x6
2) DB hammer 4x10
 
Tom Treutlein said:
How are my posts arrogant? Elaborate.

No one said it was the HST board. Doesn't mean I can't talk about HST. You don't have to defend your posts. You could leave it alone. You choose to continue discussing it, and I enjoy that. A debate is fine, so long as it doesn't get heated and become a flame war.

I live a busy life, normally. There are gaps where I have a lot of time free, so I post when I can, then I'll disappear for awhile. So what? Keeping track of when I'm here and when I'm not? Pfft.

dude im done you win..im out
 
wnt2bBeast said:
dude im done you win..im out

i'll look for you in c&c more. :)
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Sugar, I apologize. I was joking around with a friend of mine as I wrote that post and kind've just let that slip in there - I don't support the idea that women are more illogical or irrational than men - just a greater percentage I've known have been more so, so I tease people about that. Do I actually believe it to hold true all the time? Not at all.

Anyway - wnt2b, I never said I was great or anything, so stop making me out to seem arrogant, 'cause I think I'm far enough from it.

I want to stick to science because I feel secure in it. I like empirical data that comes to solid conclusions as to why something works. Maybe HST will have some of its principles disproven in the future, which will show the science wasn't perfect. Taking the gamble that it is in fact perfect, I stick with it, because once science has been proven...you can't disprove it. Maybe it's not 100%, but after the results I and others have seen on it, it's hard for me to say that it isn't the best method around for size alone.


Tom,

the difficulty is not with science. Neither I nor any other sound-minded individual would encourage you to forget about the evidence that science offers, but I would ask you to put it in perspective. You need to realize, in the first place, the essentially provisional status that all research from modern science provides, and you need to realize more specifically, that when it comes to exercise science, and especially when it comes to the science of hypertrophy, the results that science has produced have been paltry. To offer, as HST does, an interpretation of the source of muscle growth, and then to claim, as you seem to imply, that this is a.) an interpretation whose analysis can not be extended, or, in other words, an interpretation which does not leave much, for example the indirect effects of squats, open to further analysis within their own model of hypertrophy, and b.) that there could not be entirely different sources of hypertrophy which that model does not take into account, is extremely arrogant. This arrogance, or stupidly high opinion of the results of some limited research, prevents you from seeing the many other accounts of muscle growth which have been made (each of which has its own short-comings) and from experimenting with yourself, trying different programs. One of the things that has become clear about hypertrophy is that it is incredibly complicated: there is a complicated set of interrelated factors (nutrition, power output, force production, workload, time-under-tension, hormonal response, etc.), and b/c they are interrelated, no account of hypertrophy has a chance of being authoritative until it adequately explains precisely how each of these factors relates to the others, and then there would still remain a task of implementing such an account in different individuals. That said, the best policy is one of making personal experiments, or attempts, at acheiving your goals, following the models of science that have been so far created is a good start, but you must keep your attempts open to new possibilites, following where your progress dictates. Finally, I have never met anyone who has made tremendous growth by following a program resembling HST (this could just be b/c I have not met enough people), and, soemone else once quite intelligently told me that the best workout for people like you was A.) to open up your ears to all the suggestions made by successfull people with experience, and B.) multiple heavy sets of SHUT THE FUCK UP!
 
Well first off, let's clear something up: you're more calling me ignorant and close-minded, not arrogant or pretentious. Use the correct term next time.

Secondly, you were doing fine until you tried to pull the "intelligent" quote from someone. The first part isn't so bad, except people can be successful, and their methods can work. Fine. My gripe was the time it takes, and trying to optimize gains in a shorter period, thus reaching their levels earlier than they had. This is why I question old methods and look towards new ones. I'm not saying others don't work. I know they do. It's been proven with results. It's a matter of how well they work. How quick they work. So I can see where you thinking this part of the prescribed workout for "people like me" was intelligent.

As for part two, that should have been left out, as it did nothing constructive at all, but since you wanna play like that: Fuck off, cunt. ;) Maybe it isn't I who needs the "multiple heavy sets of SHUT THE FUCK UP!". Bitch.
 
fellas lets just move on..this isnt going to go anywhere..we all can argue till we're blue in the face..and actually its quite stupid..people whether they be me or TT will believe what they want and will train the way they want whether its optimal or not optimal..

so unless your gonna post your arm routine lets stop slamming each other..ive already posted mine but ill do it again:

i mentioned my problems with elbow tendonitis do my bi's work is limited and i do not go heavy at all in fact my weights are around 50-60%
plate loaded preacher 3x10-15
cable curls 2 x20-30

tris;
CG bench 5x5
skulls 2 x8-10 may add in reverse grip bench
rope or v-bar pushdowns 2x 8-10
 
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