AAS part of the equation?

[Zander1983]

I think it depends on a person's goal.

My goal should by all means be achievable without AAS. Because of that, if I used them, I would feel like I were cheating.

Now, if my goal were to be 240 and ripped or the top national powerlifter, then there is little chance I can achieve either without AAS. Then I wouldn't feel like I were cheating.

-casual

That's an interesting definition for cheating.

For me, cheating is violating rules deliberately, acting dishonestly, practicing fraud, deceive/deprive by trickery etc...

If you wanted to be 240 and ripped and there is little chance for you to achieve that without AAS within all your powers, then how are you violating rules, acting dishonestly etc? You're not deceiving or depriving anybody.

I digress. Its not like my point is leading anywhere whatsoever. A mere observation.

 

[endpoint]

I agree that a lot of athletes at the top do use AAS, but it is not necessary. Again, it's patience and longevity.

yeah if you play darts or bowls.....how about curling?

The human body has its limits.

why do you think the "drug free" and untested divisions vary so much in poundages/speed/height/distance etc etc

a well trained untested athlete will always beat a well trained natural athlete.....unless they are a super monster genetic freaks

 

[RusPA81]

yeah if you play darts or bowls.....how about curling?

The human body has its limits.

why do you think the "drug free" and untested divisions vary so much in poundages/speed/height/distance etc etc

a well trained untested athlete will always beat a well trained natural athlete.....unless they are a super monster genetic freaks

In general I agree with this statement. What really makes me mad though is for example when people claim Barry Bonds is good because of steriods. Now I do not doubt that he uses roids at all, nor does it bother me. You can't however tell me that roids are responsible for superior vision and hand and bat speed. That is all natural skill. I guess my point is that roids are a huge advantage but you to really the best you must first have natural skills and ablilities.

 

[Liftbig]

I read it, and understood it. I must, however, respectfully disagree with the "competition with oneself" idea. I am my only competition. I try to beat myself each workout. I don't look around the gym and eye some dude benching 405 for reps and think, "that fucker is gonna have to answer to MY lifts one day ..."

ill have to disagree with you on this one, to get to the top you have to beat people, you HAVE to look around that gym, eye someone who is stronger than you and work like hell to whoop their ass. once you do, find another one. thats how you get to the top, its survival. basically prey or be preyed upon, cuase at anytime someone else with the same mentality will be knocking on your door.

as far as AAS goes, to get to the top imo you will need some "help" thats just the way it is, humans are so competitive that is must be that way. will you let your competitor get the upper hand on you?

 

[pwr_machine]

yeah if you play darts or bowls.....how about curling?

The human body has its limits.

why do you think the "drug free" and untested divisions vary so much in poundages/speed/height/distance etc etc

a well trained untested athlete will always beat a well trained natural athlete.....unless they are a super monster genetic freaks

Then bigguns15 is headed to the top of a predominately drug-tested organization...USAPL. And I personally don't give a rats ass about the non-tested and high squattin' organizations.

 

[needsize]

It also depends on what sport you are talking about getting to the top in, I am a bodybuilder myself, and have trained around champions, and there is no way you can get anywhere competively in this sport without steroids

 

[RusPA81]

It also depends on what sport you are talking about getting to the top in, I am a bodybuilder myself, and have trained around champions, and there is no way you can get anywhere competively in this sport without steroids

Thats the thing. In my opinion in almost any sport there is heavy roid use and if you look at the people at the top, they use somekind of steriod whether it is an anabolic or something like EPO. Peoples drive to get to top will make them go to great lengths to get there. Its just the way the game is played these days.

 

[endpoint]

Then bigguns15 is headed to the top of a predominately drug-tested organization...USAPL. And I personally don't give a rats ass about the non-tested and high squattin' organizations.

Thats your bag baby.

good luck bigguns

 

[endpoint]

Thats the thing. In my opinion in almost any sport there is heavy roid use and if you look at the people at the top, they use somekind of steriod whether it is an anabolic or something like EPO. Peoples drive to get to top will make them go to great lengths to get there. Its just the way the game is played these days.

anyone read speed trap by charles francis?

Its a good read (thanks coolcol).