AAS part of the equation?

[pwr_machine]

Expect to see bigguns15 at worlds...drug free.

 

[BigBadBootyDaddy29]

Bigguns, I got so pissed off at the first two responses, I forgot to mention your post. I just wanted to say congratulations and good luck. What you do takes dedication, sacrifice, and one huge set of nuts, there would be people in the world with a lot more pride if they had your attitude, and I wish you nothing but the best.

I am gonna ask you something though. My post was directed to those wishing to be the best the world has to offer.....you said you placed 2nd at a national competition, thats better than probably 99% of the population, but whats your ultimate goal? If it is Nationals, then you can surely accpmplish it naturally.....I don't know your weight class/numbers, etc....but if they aren't enough to compete with the absolute best in the world, the Ryan Kenelley's, the Anthony Clark's, The Gary Frank's, the John Inzer's of the world, and you want some day to be the best of the best, does your stance on roids change?????

 

[needsize]

Here's how steroids relates to everything:
1) Training: steroids make up for ineffective training. But the results will be greatly increased if the training is good.

2) Diet: this is one steroids won't make up for. If one takes steroids and F's up his/her diet, not much will happen. Maybe he/she will trade some BF for muscle, but that's it. No gaining like 15 pounds in a cycle.

I never thought I would agree with you bro, but thank you for posting that. So many people seem to think that steroids are the magic solution, you take a few pills and bang you're huge. It isnt that simple. Anabolic steroids increase nitrogen retention, which is basically what protein turns into in the body. If you arent just cramming the protein into your body, then the steroids wont do you any good.
I admit, I use steroids now, but that was after 10 years of natural training and having reached my genetic limit years before. I see lots of guys that have been on them so much longer than myself, but they cant even stand next to me. Why, because my training and nutrition is 100% sound. I devote my life to this sport, I dont drink, almost never go out, all I do is eat, sleep and train with an intensity that would drop most on their ass. And even though I combine all of that with steroids, I still have a bitch of a time gaining any more size.
If steroids were the magic pill that so many believe they are, then the olympia trophy would be on my mantle now.....

 

[collegiateLifter]

Pretty good post. I think that if you make it to the elite level and then you figure that at the elite level, everyones got comparable genetics, good training and nutrition. Essentially its a level playing field. But if many are juicing then you no longer can truly be competitive because they've got an advantage on you. Kinda like if you're 7 feet tall and play Bball. In highschool, if you can make and finish a layup + a few post moves, you are gonna be successfull player. But once you get into the NBA, and everyone you play against at your position is 7 feet tall, you've got to elevate your game if you want to be successful. Theres a term for this phenomenon but I forget what it is.


as for

To address the competetion part of my post, I wasn't referring to the guy benching next to you, or the dude working in the power rack with you. I agree with Gettinlarger on that. I was referring to competition in a sport, however. Basically, if you're a defensive end, the offensive tackle you're running at doesn't care if you're stronger than you were 2 months ago, if HE is stronger than YOU on this given day, you're going to be in a lot of pain. Another example of this would be bodybuilding. Look at the best of the best. At this year's O, Jay, Gunter, and Ronnie all want to win. Ronnie Coleman won't be satisfied with 2nd or 3rd place just because he looks better than he ever did because if Jay or Gunter still look better than him, they win. So, in that sense, his competition is on a greater level than setting PR's and going against himself.

I certainly see you are comin from BBBD, but I've found this interesting, from the Champ, Vasili Alexeyev

'They say that the strongest wins. But the strongest in what way? I remember, at the time of the championships in Lima, that Reding in training lifted record weights. He had acquired a terrific strength and huge muscles, but he lost to me, even though he was physically stronger. Why? Serge and I had different ways of training. Others thought for him. He carried out the suggestions of his coach, Dupont. Roughly speaking, Reding took in 'the science of winning' though his ears. And this showed when he was on his own with the barbell. But, as for me, I thought for myself. S erge also lost because he wanted to beat me. That's all he thought about. He worried constantly and burned himself out before he even got to the platform . . .

For me the most important thing is to beat myself, to lift the barbell that up to this point I have not yet lifted. My rivals don't worry me very much."

from 'The Science of Winning according to Vasili Alexeyev by Dmitri Ivanov' off of
http://elitefts.com/elite-articles/misc/

 

[gonelifting]

No doubt, YOU NEED AAS TO COMPETE (and win) WITH THE BEST IN THE WORLD.

That`s it. Period

 

[pwr_machine]

I'll vouch for bigguns15 until she has a chance to respond accordingly. I believe that she has a legitimate shot at worlds in the future. Her patience is the key. She's put about 500 pounds on her total in the last 6 or 7 years. Again, it's all about patience and smart training.

 

[needsize]

I'll vouch for bigguns15 until she has a chance to respond accordingly. I believe that she has a legitimate shot at worlds in the future. Her patience is the key. She's put about 500 pounds on her total in the last 6 or 7 years. Again, it's all about patience and smart training.

theres more to it than just patience and smart training, if you dont have the genetics then no amount of either will get you to the top

 

[gonelifting]

OK now that I`ve posted that. I`m a normal lifter, nothing special. (skinny bastard actually) and I know how hard it is to make good gains, But I wholeheartedly think if I "used" I would be better off. Especially now being 34 yo.

I will never compete in anything nor do I have the desire, but for those elite few that have it all THEY ARE COMPETING AGAINST THE SAME KIND OF PEOPLE, genetics,desire,attitude, and will have to take gear to compete because THAT`S the next level. There will always be someone doing it. That little edge. Actually BIG edge I think from natural to gear.

Bottom line if you really want it you gotta go to the dark side . hate to say it, but those are the facts.

 

[bigguns15]

I agree that if you don't have the genetics, training and diet alone are not going to take you to the top alone. However, I got a pretty good set of genetics (thanks mom and dad!), and I believe that I will be on top one day without having to use drugs. Yes, I placed 2nd at nationals this year, and my short term goal is to win there. But, one day I will be going to the world championships to compete against the best. Again, I compete in what is supposed to be a drug free federation, so I am really not up against the Ryan Kennelly's of the world. I'm going to reach the top one day. I've considered the fact that maybe I'm delusional, but I have to believe that I can do this on my own. It's all about testing your mind and body and bringing both to the brink of destruction and building them back up stronger than before. Perhaps I'm saying this only because I have not hit my natural plateau (I really never new such a thing existed). I'm still adding pounds to each of my lifts, albeit slower than before and I don't see it stopping.

All of that said, I don't look down upon anyone that chooses to use AAS (unless they compete in a natural comp). That's a personal choice. I just don't believe you have to do it to be on top.

 

[pwr_machine]

Well said bigguns15.