A message about why there are so many busts lately

[madbumper]

Who are the target?

Just a quick point to ponder. WE all agree that open source posting is bad. But remember this...
FEDS go after the big fish, it's still all about money, even when it comes to prosecution and enforcement of the law, it just doesn't make sense to prosecute the end user (most of us)
Protect your sources, so you can keep using them. Don't order from well advertised web pharmacies, cause THEY are the ones that the feds will be targeting.
Don't let paranoia ruin your day, but take precautions.

I work law enforcement community in Canada, more pointedly the application of it. I am a bodybuilder and I use steroids. I am well educated and I take my health very seriously. I fully expect to be flamed for this last section of my post, but I want to be open with you all.

Madbumper

Good post Frack

 

[mokhtarsayed]

I hope people start listening.

 

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As a former cop the big fish is the objective. You need the little guppies to get the big fish. You want to cause a domino effect. Bust someone small. Use the threat of jail and all the gay sex your ass can take. Then the small guys sets up the bigger guy all the way up the ladder.

Remember that police are not inherently intelligent but their unlimited resources more than make up for that deficiency. Plus, once you get into the system most will do anything to get out.

Word of advice, even your best buddy can turn on you when he/she freedom is in jeopardy. From personal experience, I took a hit for someone, trying to do the right thing for them. When I posted bail, they wanted nothing to do with me. Nice!

Personally, I would never admit to doing juice. Not even here. Never admit to purchasing, not even here. There is a two-prong test for a warrant. One IS self-incrimination. Legally “to sell” is just offering. Even if it is without compensation.

Of course when we ALL speak about using we are ALL talking hypothetically! I don’t think anyone would abuse their bodies like that. Even our trusted NEWS media has spelled out the evils of steroids for us many times before.

NOW PEOPLE HERE WILL REALLY NEVER TRUST ME!!!

 

[SwitchedOn]

Good post Temple, well said. I once thought all the hype about IP 10-12 months ago was unavoidable. However I've taken a more scientific approach to my thinking lately, especially since taking math as a major...
There are so many variables to take into consideration concerning getting busted. I think Temple said it well enough- "...but their unlimited resources make up for that deficiency."
Why is it people on this board think just because they're busted for possession and roll on a source they won't be incarcerated or nailed with a charge? Think about it, possession of a controlled substance? Not sure of the felony degree but it's a felony nonetheless.
I started doing research into anabolics and their ancillaries about 2.5 years ago. I can remember hanging on Rock's board discussing anabolics, not having a fucking clue- or having the nuts to even ponder asking for a source from mods.
For the past few months I thought this hadn't changed. I still have a hard time soliciting mods or vets for sources (and actually NEVER have) or even source checks- and this after being on this board for close to 2 years. The last time I received a new source was about 2 years ago.

The reason why? I DON'T FUCKIN ADVERTISE MY SOURCES OR ASK FOR NEW ONES, even from mods or vets!!!!!!!!

I speculate there are more than a few law enforcement agents reading this and other posts, trying to discern id's and formulate plans to "entrap" smaller guys for personal use (yes this is a stretch but nonetheless possible, regardless of the chances). To those I have just named (and I know it won't make any difference), let others here on this board use the knowledge accumulated here to better our health through the use of anabolics.

Unfortunately this will never happen. If anything laws on anabolics will become tougher- legislature forbid stable, intelligent, educated individuals from enhancing their health. Perhaps it's health insurance companies as well as supplement and pharmceutical companies lobbying for drug control that keep us from utilizing our knowledge to enhance our health. Who knows? Ok, I'm rambling. However when someone PM's or emails me asking about sources I tell them to go fuck their mother. Are you serious? Do you ask your bud/coke/meth dealer where they get their product? No way, and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
This is really pissing me off for a few reasons I won't get into here...
Let's just say we all are always in danger due to carelessness from our brothers when they open their big mouths and yap about a source. End of rant.

Switched On

 

[Golfer18--old]

Good post Temple, well said. I once thought all the hype about IP 10-12 months ago was unavoidable. However I've taken a more scientific approach to my thinking lately, especially since taking math as a major...
There are so many variables to take into consideration concerning getting busted. I think Temple said it well enough- "...but their unlimited resources make up for that deficiency."
Why is it people on this board think just because they're busted for possession and roll on a source they won't be incarcerated or nailed with a charge? Think about it, possession of a controlled substance? Not sure of the felony degree but it's a felony nonetheless.
I started doing research into anabolics and their ancillaries about 2.5 years ago. I can remember hanging on Rock's board discussing anabolics, not having a fucking clue- or having the nuts to even ponder asking for a source from mods.
For the past few months I thought this hadn't changed. I still have a hard time soliciting mods or vets for sources (and actually NEVER have) or even source checks- and this after being on this board for close to 2 years. The last time I received a new source was about 2 years ago.

The reason why? I DON'T FUCKIN ADVERTISE MY SOURCES OR ASK FOR NEW ONES, even from mods or vets!!!!!!!!

I speculate there are more than a few law enforcement agents reading this and other posts, trying to discern id's and formulate plans to "entrap" smaller guys for personal use (yes this is a stretch but nonetheless possible, regardless of the chances). To those I have just named (and I know it won't make any difference), let others here on this board use the knowledge accumulated here to better our health through the use of anabolics.

Unfortunately this will never happen. If anything laws on anabolics will become tougher- legislature forbid stable, intelligent, educated individuals from enhancing their health. Perhaps it's health insurance companies as well as supplement and pharmceutical companies lobbying for drug control that keep us from utilizing our knowledge to enhance our health. Who knows? Ok, I'm rambling. However when someone PM's or emails me asking about sources I tell them to go fuck their mother. Are you serious? Do you ask your bud/coke/meth dealer where they get their product? No way, and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
This is really pissing me off for a few reasons I won't get into here...
Let's just say we all are always in danger due to carelessness from our brothers when they open their big mouths and yap about a source. End of rant.

Switched On

The law was passed to stop professional athletes mostly. Instead good guys who mind their own shit are the ones who are paying for it. Not the mother fuckers who make 20 million a year. Pretty messed up. Its not that I have something against cops.........I dunno I would just love to go in front of Congress and take the floor and explain a few things. If a knowledgable guy could ever really do that I believe it would turn a few heads and a few things might change. They will never be legal, but maybe the laws will ease up. The more smart users we have the better our chances.

 

[louis]

I can't believe these fucking waste of space Feds waste our tax dollars logging on the anabolic boards so they can bust steroid dealers. They deserve the reputation they have.

I like the way you think bro

 

[manny78]

I might be living on another planet but on my "planet", sources are busted cause rec. drugs were involved. On my planet, busting someone with 1000 omna amps will not get us a promotion, but seizing Pelchat's undergorund GHB lab in Beauport might be of some interest for our detachment boss.

BTW feds dont really log on a board, they have search engines, looking for keywords and most of the time, the keywords are: K, ketamine, X, E, GHB, "i need to get high this week at this rave so I can make a fool of myself"......

 

[_Wiliam_WaLLace]

I might be living on another planet but on my "planet", sources are busted cause rec. drugs were involved. On my planet, busting someone with 1000 omna amps will not get us a promotion, but seizing Pelchat's undergorund GHB lab in Beauport might be of some interest for our detachment boss.

BTW feds dont really log on a board, they have search engines, looking for keywords and most of the time, the keywords are: K, ketamine, X, E, GHB, "i need to get high this week at this rave so I can make a fool of myself"......

I might be living on another planet but on my "planet", sources are busted cause rec. drugs were involved. On my planet, busting someone with 1000 omna amps will not get us a promotion, but seizing Pelchat's undergorund GHB lab in Beauport might be of some interest for our detachment boss.

BTW feds dont really log on a board, they have search engines, looking for keywords and most of the time, the keywords are: K, ketamine, X, E, GHB, "i need to get high this week at this rave so I can make a fool of myself"......

There were several busts involving only steroids, so you must be on another planet. I will not name any names, but there was even an article over a guy getting a controlled delivery because he ordered a large quantity of all steroids from China Labs. And there were a ton of controlled deliveries from CP in the Asian continent concerning d-bol. It is true that rec drugs draw more attention to sources, but there has been a shift in policy, and those that import illegal steroids must be made aware of this.

Do not be delusional, people are getting controlled deliveries for 200 tabs of d-bol, or 50 amps of test, they are occuring at a blistering pace, and they are in search of the end user, the small fish, and I will tell you why.

The Feds know steroids are sold on the internet, and the internet market probably supplies a large portion of the illegal steroids sold in the US. So what can they do? Can they bust the man in China, Yugoslavia, Spain, Poland, or Thailand? No, US does not have jurisdiction, unless its a matter involving terrorism.

Well the FEDS believe they must do something, so they pop the end-user, the poor guy buying a few d-bol tabs. This causes a deterence effect, and they know the message spreads. Also the FEDS do visit the boards, as I know that people who have been busted have been asked about certain boards, of course they visit boards that open post. This is why open posting must stop, and now, but I have already made this argument.

But you are right about one thing, REC DRUGS! I was again sitting pondering at my computer, thinking, why do FEDS bother us so, especially lately. No one robbed or stole or hurt someone to get money to get steroids because they were having withdrawals, right?

But, we have again allowed others to stigmatize and hurt us in the pursuit of bettering our bodies. Bodybuilding is linked with rec drugs, and from what I have seen on the net over the last few years, RIGHTLY SO! I still can not reconcile why someone who takes care of there body and wants the perception of being healthy will fill those hard worked for bodies with all sorts of drugs on the weekends. Anyway, I think people should be able to do whatthere bodies even if it is rec drugs.

But, we need to burn sources that sell rec drugs, we need to send a message that bb'ing and rec drugs are not in fact linked. Stop patronizing sources that sell anabolics and recs, and shun the boards where they are allowed to flout there recs. There are boards for rec drugs, YES THERE ARE! Let people who wish to do GHB, valium, etc, go there, and let us free ourselves of the stigma that bb'ing involves the heavy use of drugs, because for the majority of us it does not, we simply want to be healthier, and our bodies to be better. I have nothing against people who use rec drugs, but as a community we neeed to stand up ahgainst rec drugs and bb'ing, otherwise we are perceived just as druggies, and we are much more than this.

Anyway, thats my rant for tonight, you all take care and be safe.

WW

 

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Here is another scam that the police pull. First off, your average everyday cop is not involved with steroid busts unless he just happens to come across it by pure luck or stupidity.

They (police) will offer a lesser charge, sentence, or whatever for a confession and to give up a source or friend. HEAR ME ON THIS!!! They have NO powers to reduce charges or plea out with you. This is a tactic to get a confession and/or other names. Even if later this become inadmissible in court they still can act on the info you give them. They will show you documents with signatures stating it is from the DA giving them power to negotiate. Signatures of someone who “turned” on you. Etc etc etc… These are FAKE! Trust me on this.

There are several tactics for questioning that work well. I am not going to get into them here but these are very refined and work. If you get popped. Shut up! Request a lawyer! Shut up again!

 

[George Spellwin]

Great post!

"Robby was 34 years old, married with two children. He ordered some D-bol and Winny from an online source."

"Customs got the local police on board and wired a package for delivery with an AT-4 transmitter (an electronic signaling device used to confirm that a target has opened his package). Pre-raid surveillance was set up, the delivery was made, and Robby signed for the package."

"When Robby opened the package, he saw the little black device. Panicking, he took out the batteries and ran out to his car. He was stopped by the raid team, who took him back to the house and searched it -- seizing everything connected with bodybuilding including an Arnold Schwarzenegger book. They found 19 Sustanon preloads in his garbage."

"In custody, Robby waived his rights, admitted four previous Internet juice orders, and was even pressured into saying that 600 tablets is more than one person could use. [The deputy prosecuting attorney refused to plea bargain the case below a felony level...]"

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