Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Went riding with two of my buddies today. One on a R6 and one on a GSXR1000, and me on the GSXR750. The dude on the 1000 is a roadracer, so when we get together we always get nuts. We went and found some good twisties to rip it up on. Top speed of the day was 164MPH (digital speedo) and never any less than 90 thru the real tight bends. I just had new brakes put on at the shop, and this was the first time riding with them on. Came up to a sharp left at about 115MPH, and when I started braking, the fronts completely locked up. The rear tire was about three foot in the air and still rising fast when the caliper decided to unlock again. I rode the front tire about ten yards (past the turn) and into some lady's front yard. The rear tire finally came back down, but I was headed for a big a*s tree. There's no turning a streetbike in grass at 155, but I tried anyways. I got highsided and tossed right off the damn thing. When I picked it back up, the caliper was locked up again. Couldn't move the damn thing. Bike's mangled, I'm pissed, and I'm gonna kill the dude at the shop if they don't pay to fix the damn thing. I'm gonna talk to a lawyer and see if I have a case. I'm assuming it would be pretty hard to prove they screwed my calipers up, which in turn almost killed me. This sucks bad....
Wrecked my bike today
- Thread starter YAKUZA
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LOL, the 155 in the end is a typo. See the beginning where it said 115, it was in the area of that speed. Believe me, I got TOSSED. LOL Hitting grass doesn't really hurt that bad. I lucked out and didn't break any bones, and you can't get roadrash from grass. A few scrapes and bruises is all.. If I'd hit cement, they'd be scraping parts of me up from three different counties.
I went much farther than the bike did, it dug into the dirt and stopped quicker than I thought it would. My buddies were also in shock of how well I came out of it. I'm well aware of how fortunate I am, but it still makes interesting chit-chat. I always say I'm gonna save the speed for the track, but it never happens. LOL Maybe afte this one I'll calm it down a little.....
I went much farther than the bike did, it dug into the dirt and stopped quicker than I thought it would. My buddies were also in shock of how well I came out of it. I'm well aware of how fortunate I am, but it still makes interesting chit-chat. I always say I'm gonna save the speed for the track, but it never happens. LOL Maybe afte this one I'll calm it down a little.....
Nowhere even remotely close to the house. It was "country" roads, and the houses were set back in pretty far. I was pretty worried about hitting the tree though, but I went right past it
Sorry, I have a sense of humor about these things as long as I'm not in traction..
Weird part is, when I called my girlfriend, she knew I wrecked already. I asked her how, and she said she had a dream about it the night before. Here's the real weird thing, when I wrecked my 600 two years ago, she had a dream before I did that one too. I'm gonna start asking her if it's safe for me to go ride. LOL
Sorry to hear about your buddy, glad he lived though. He make a full recovery??
Sorry, I have a sense of humor about these things as long as I'm not in traction..Weird part is, when I called my girlfriend, she knew I wrecked already. I asked her how, and she said she had a dream about it the night before. Here's the real weird thing, when I wrecked my 600 two years ago, she had a dream before I did that one too. I'm gonna start asking her if it's safe for me to go ride. LOL
Sorry to hear about your buddy, glad he lived though. He make a full recovery??
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Warik
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That was intelligent.
Talk to a lawyer about a case? WTF case do you have? "Your honor I was riding my bike at 3 times the speed limit and it broke!" You're already going to spend a shit load to fix your bike (why should the shop fix it for you free?). Don't waste any more money on legal fees just to have the judge laugh at you.
-Warik
Talk to a lawyer about a case? WTF case do you have? "Your honor I was riding my bike at 3 times the speed limit and it broke!" You're already going to spend a shit load to fix your bike (why should the shop fix it for you free?). Don't waste any more money on legal fees just to have the judge laugh at you.
-Warik
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uglyass
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It dont matter how fast you were going man, it doesnt give the mechanic an excuse for shoddy workmanship. The only possible reason for your locking up i can think of is the mechanic has put one of your pistons in at an angle.
However, warik is right. A judge will take one look at the facts and laugh your case out of court unfortunately.
Unless he`s a biker!
What does your friend say about the gixxer 1000, ive just sold my gix 6 and lookin to get a 1000
Hope it works out for you man
However, warik is right. A judge will take one look at the facts and laugh your case out of court unfortunately.
Unless he`s a biker!
What does your friend say about the gixxer 1000, ive just sold my gix 6 and lookin to get a 1000
Hope it works out for you man
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Warik
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BigPhysicsBastard,
Agreed in regard to bike speed; however, they were meant to be driven at those speeds on tracks and shit. Tracks are designed differently than normal roads. Notice those NASCAR tracks how they have wide, inclined turns? It's simple physics (hehe). Turn at those high speeds on wrong type of surface = boom.
Since he was riding on a regular, local street it seems, I think he wouldn't have a case. He was clearly in violation of the law.
-Warik
Agreed in regard to bike speed; however, they were meant to be driven at those speeds on tracks and shit. Tracks are designed differently than normal roads. Notice those NASCAR tracks how they have wide, inclined turns? It's simple physics (hehe). Turn at those high speeds on wrong type of surface = boom.
Since he was riding on a regular, local street it seems, I think he wouldn't have a case. He was clearly in violation of the law.
-Warik
ROIDJUNKIE
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Your 750 goes 164mph what kind is it bro?
Warik, not a good reply there bro. It doesn't matter if I was going 115 or 15, if the work performed caused me personal injury, they're responsible. It's like the "Firestone tires" thing. Didn't matter if you were going 30 or 130, if the tires blew and you got jacked, you had a lawsuit.
Either way, I'll say I was going slower. Vey minimal damage for the speed I was going. Like I said, hitting dirt is soft, even for a bike. It could easily pass for a 50MPH crash by the damage(which is still a few grand).
About riding like assholes, yep we do I make no excuses for it. We ride fast, and that's all there is to it. If I ever wreck cause of THAT, I don't care, it's my fault. If I wreck cause of bad work, then I'm pissed. I've had a few friends check out from riding like this, but you know what, when something makes you happy-you do it.
BTW BPB: The 600's will run damn close to the big bikes with a good rider on 'em. The 750 definately hangs with them. We're only talking a few tenths of a second on acceleration, and a few MPH on top end. Not that big of a difference really....
Either way, I'll say I was going slower. Vey minimal damage for the speed I was going. Like I said, hitting dirt is soft, even for a bike. It could easily pass for a 50MPH crash by the damage(which is still a few grand).
About riding like assholes, yep we do
I make no excuses for it. We ride fast, and that's all there is to it. If I ever wreck cause of THAT, I don't care, it's my fault. If I wreck cause of bad work, then I'm pissed. I've had a few friends check out from riding like this, but you know what, when something makes you happy-you do it. BTW BPB: The 600's will run damn close to the big bikes with a good rider on 'em. The 750 definately hangs with them. We're only talking a few tenths of a second on acceleration, and a few MPH on top end. Not that big of a difference really....
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Frackal
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Damn Yak!! You need to be more careful bro!!! lol Don't make daddy kick your ass...glad to see you're ok!
Wfabrizio
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Nice. I too know alot about crashing sportbikes. I guess you were wearing your gear, huh?
If I ride fast on the street I put full leathers on. What you need to do is get on a track. It's not very expensive and it's awesome, man. Really fucking awesome.
No cops. No poles. No cars. No houses. You get the drift.
By the way, why were you using your front brakes? Don't you know they are dangerous and will kill you?! (LOL.....j/k)
I'm telling you bro, get on a track. I've always been an avid street rider and I still am, but the race track is the best.
Good luck with the losers at that shop.
If I ride fast on the street I put full leathers on. What you need to do is get on a track. It's not very expensive and it's awesome, man. Really fucking awesome.
No cops. No poles. No cars. No houses. You get the drift.
By the way, why were you using your front brakes? Don't you know they are dangerous and will kill you?! (LOL.....j/k)
I'm telling you bro, get on a track. I've always been an avid street rider and I still am, but the race track is the best.
Good luck with the losers at that shop.
Wfabrizio
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There are a few guys. The guy in my sig pic is Ben Bostrom, factory Ducati rider in The World Superbike Championship. He wiggles it into every corner. Then there's Kurtis Roberts here in the US AMA Superbike series. Kurtis backs it into every corner too.
Both of these guys grew up on the dirt track circuits where going in sideways is the norm.
Me, I only use my rear brake when I'm showing off, otherwise I never touch the fucking thing. You can use it to keep the rear tire from spinning coming out of severe lean angle corners. You just barely apply it while you dial the throttle up in high lean situations. That way you don't spin the rear tire. I personally like spinning the rear tire up exiting corners.
Both of these guys grew up on the dirt track circuits where going in sideways is the norm.
Me, I only use my rear brake when I'm showing off, otherwise I never touch the fucking thing. You can use it to keep the rear tire from spinning coming out of severe lean angle corners. You just barely apply it while you dial the throttle up in high lean situations. That way you don't spin the rear tire. I personally like spinning the rear tire up exiting corners.
Good to hear you are OK Yak! I hope all goes good for you and you get your ride fixed.
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Wfabrizio
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Twins, cc per cc are not as powerful as fours. That is why in World Superbike Racing, GP, etc. they allow them to compete up to 1000 cc's versus 750cc's for the four cylinder bikes.
Twins don't produce more hp then the fours but they do produce more torque, especially lower in the rpm range. That is why they get better drive through the corners. Twins also produce what is called "big bang" power delivery. Twins produce power to the rear tire in a more controlled manner with the two large pistons spacing their power delivery in a less violent manner. Fours, with their four smaller pistons blitz the rear tire with their power delivery, making corner exits a tire spinning affair.
Ducati's, as a good example, in WSB trim, produce good power but their top speed is achieved primarily from the narrowness of their design versus their hp. That's another advantage of a v-twin, their layout allows for a thinner motorcycle versus the four cylinder bikes which must be wider by design.
So, do twins have an unfair advantage? Probably. However alot of it does come down to the rider. A good example of this is here in the US. Ducati and twins in general such as Honda's new RC51 are not competitve against Suzuki's new GSXR750 Superbikes. But, Suzuki also happens to have two of the best riders racing for them here in the US, Matt Mladin and Aaron Yates.
So......the way I'd put it, if you put an exceptional rider on a four cylinder he will go fast. Put him on a twin and he will go faster. Put a mediocre rider on a four cylinder and he will go kinda fast. Put him on a twin and he will also go kinda fast.
That's just my opinion, and I own a ZX7R and a Ducati 748 so I notice the same thing when I ride at the track.
Twins don't produce more hp then the fours but they do produce more torque, especially lower in the rpm range. That is why they get better drive through the corners. Twins also produce what is called "big bang" power delivery. Twins produce power to the rear tire in a more controlled manner with the two large pistons spacing their power delivery in a less violent manner. Fours, with their four smaller pistons blitz the rear tire with their power delivery, making corner exits a tire spinning affair.
Ducati's, as a good example, in WSB trim, produce good power but their top speed is achieved primarily from the narrowness of their design versus their hp. That's another advantage of a v-twin, their layout allows for a thinner motorcycle versus the four cylinder bikes which must be wider by design.
So, do twins have an unfair advantage? Probably. However alot of it does come down to the rider. A good example of this is here in the US. Ducati and twins in general such as Honda's new RC51 are not competitve against Suzuki's new GSXR750 Superbikes. But, Suzuki also happens to have two of the best riders racing for them here in the US, Matt Mladin and Aaron Yates.
So......the way I'd put it, if you put an exceptional rider on a four cylinder he will go fast. Put him on a twin and he will go faster. Put a mediocre rider on a four cylinder and he will go kinda fast. Put him on a twin and he will also go kinda fast.
That's just my opinion, and I own a ZX7R and a Ducati 748 so I notice the same thing when I ride at the track.
ORGANON CANON
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YAKUZA said:
Wfabrizio
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Well, back when World Superbike Racing began 750cc was the ticket pure and simple. One liter bikes were too large, bulky, etc. compared to the 750's. Technology has caught up and now the one liter bikes are as light and in some cases lighter than the 750's and even some of the 600's.
Here in the US we have AMA Formula Extreme where they race production 900's,1000's,etc. that are tweaked. The twins do not do very well in that series due to the hp advantage of the four cylinder one liter bikes.
The big news for 2002 and beyond is that the FIM in Europe will be introducing four stroke GP bikes into their two-stroke championship. These four strokes will all be close to 1000 cc's and will be on the cutting edge technology and performance wise.
If you're not familiar, 500 gp two-strokes have been the ultimate in performance design until now. It is common to have a 500cc two stoke motorcycle producing near 200hp. Their power-to-weight ratio is better than even the F1 cars.
If you want to find info on all of this stuff, check out these sites:
www.amasuperbike.com
www.2wf.com
www.esportbike.com
And, of course, www.ducati.com
Ciao.
Here in the US we have AMA Formula Extreme where they race production 900's,1000's,etc. that are tweaked. The twins do not do very well in that series due to the hp advantage of the four cylinder one liter bikes.
The big news for 2002 and beyond is that the FIM in Europe will be introducing four stroke GP bikes into their two-stroke championship. These four strokes will all be close to 1000 cc's and will be on the cutting edge technology and performance wise.
If you're not familiar, 500 gp two-strokes have been the ultimate in performance design until now. It is common to have a 500cc two stoke motorcycle producing near 200hp. Their power-to-weight ratio is better than even the F1 cars.
If you want to find info on all of this stuff, check out these sites:
www.amasuperbike.com
www.2wf.com
www.esportbike.com
And, of course, www.ducati.com
Ciao.
Fabrizo, while we're talking engine design could you explain how the Germans accomplished the engineering feat of extracting a whopping 56 horsepower from my horizontally opposed twin cylinder R1200C. That sounds more like de-engineering to me. At that compression it better last 2000 years I just lost the wife (and only reason I owned a cruiser) so I'm selling it to get something a little faster. I'm considering a used R1 or 98-on ZX-9. I'm 6'1", 235 lbs so ergonomics is important. What's your opinion on a good ride? Thanks, Galen
You're gonna probably be a little uncomfortable on a sportbike at your size. Bikes such as the R1 you're speaking of are just as small as a 600. Modern bikes are weighing in under 400LBS and putting out tremendous horsepower. And in all honesty, unless you're looking for wheelie power, you don't need that 900 or 1000. New 600's are very quick, and aren't too far behind the liter bikes. You'll have a hard time keeping the front end on the ground with a 900r or R1. The power can be uncontrollable for riders not used to it. Be safe bro, these bikes will kick your ass if you don't respect them. They're nothing like those cruisers...
Wfabrizio
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Galen, for your size I would recommend a couple of bikes. Of course you should base your decision on what type of riding you will actually perform.
If you are looking for a good city ride that rips out in the twisites on the weekends, then I would say the ZX9 would get the job done. I also happen to really like the Honda VFR800. That is a great all around bike. Fantastic in town, good in the twisties, good as an occasional tourer and of course, beautiful noise! It's a V-Four. I love that engine. It doesn't have a ton of hp, but it really doesn't matter. Freddie Spencer uses one at his race school in Las Vegas. I've seen him absolutely smoke R1's, GSXR's, etc. on that bike.
If you're looking strictly for performance, there's too options depending on what type of performance you're into:
Straightline speed: Suzukui Hayabusa hands down. It's a bigger bike that has lots of oomph.
Knee dragger: Suzuki 2001 GSXR1000 or 750. These bikes absolutely rail and their size isn't too small but they are extremely light weight.
Your best bet is to cruise around with some cash, act serious at some dealerships abd try to get some test rides. At the very minimum go and sit on a bunch of bikes to get an idea of how your body fits.
I've got a good friend of mine who recently purchased a 2001 Suzook GSXR1000, he's 6'1 210 and fits perfectly. The 750 is for intents and purposes the same physical size as the 1000.
Of course, if you really want to be the king, go buy a Ducati 996 or an Aprilia RSV1000R. The Aprilia is an absolutely beautiful machine and you should fit pretty well on it. The Ducati is a bit smaller so you may feel as though you're dwarfing it.
There are so many capable bikes right now it's insane, you really can't go wrong. Just remember that hp isn't everything, but practicality is.
If you are looking for a good city ride that rips out in the twisites on the weekends, then I would say the ZX9 would get the job done. I also happen to really like the Honda VFR800. That is a great all around bike. Fantastic in town, good in the twisties, good as an occasional tourer and of course, beautiful noise! It's a V-Four. I love that engine. It doesn't have a ton of hp, but it really doesn't matter. Freddie Spencer uses one at his race school in Las Vegas. I've seen him absolutely smoke R1's, GSXR's, etc. on that bike.
If you're looking strictly for performance, there's too options depending on what type of performance you're into:
Straightline speed: Suzukui Hayabusa hands down. It's a bigger bike that has lots of oomph.
Knee dragger: Suzuki 2001 GSXR1000 or 750. These bikes absolutely rail and their size isn't too small but they are extremely light weight.
Your best bet is to cruise around with some cash, act serious at some dealerships abd try to get some test rides. At the very minimum go and sit on a bunch of bikes to get an idea of how your body fits.
I've got a good friend of mine who recently purchased a 2001 Suzook GSXR1000, he's 6'1 210 and fits perfectly. The 750 is for intents and purposes the same physical size as the 1000.
Of course, if you really want to be the king, go buy a Ducati 996 or an Aprilia RSV1000R. The Aprilia is an absolutely beautiful machine and you should fit pretty well on it. The Ducati is a bit smaller so you may feel as though you're dwarfing it.
There are so many capable bikes right now it's insane, you really can't go wrong. Just remember that hp isn't everything, but practicality is.
