wow no longer a virgin!! does oral count

[Firecracker]

(crossed the border) im now on var/primo (all oral). 10mg ed of var and 50mg of primo acetate. im in my first week.i was doing it topically with dmso gel but it smelled too bad and it was killing my skin. so im eating it now too. im climbing with clen too. feeling stronger. im interested in doing the no carb ketosis diet which i started on monday but totally messed it up last night. heheeh. or should i wait til after to get the most gains. whats ur opinion on my choice on supplements here and diet. and whatca think on my pics

5'5" 125lbs @ 16%bf on an electric hanheld)wanting to compete in a few months but these pics are 6 weeks old and im not as lean so i wanna work on that. im gonna go 7-8 weeks on this cycle. how many carbs should i eat. i eat very extremely clean but then i get cravings like 3x a week and have really big cheat meals mostly on dessert. i love brownies n crap. i want to put 3inches everywhere (arms n legs) n trim my waist down and stay the same size. i did a var only cycle with clen in december but i didnt do the clen right so i just added primo to this cycle so i know what to expect from the var n clen
thanx

Can you post your pics for non plats? I'm anxious to see! Thanks!

 

[nycgirl]

RW, I think it is an overall impatience of the world now. Everyone wants what they want YESTERDAY, but don't want to actually do a lot to get it.

I mean, if working out does a little, adding one AAS will add a lot, and stacking 2-3 compounds will do EVERYTHING FOR YOU. It is an ignorant view, IMHO.

I agree (another thing that annoys the crap out of me!). If it isn't what you referenced above, it's how many T-rex can I take while I still eat this pint of ice cream, hamburgers, etc. It seems like people refuse (a) to be patient and (b) to work hard and give up certain things to reach their goals.

 

[Sassy69]

You know even just 5 years ago it was the norm for women to pump iron often for years before considering anabolic hormones. It seems like over the last 2 or 3 years it gradually become common for women to talk about using anabolics, even stacking them before they've even gotten close to exhausting their genetic capacity for muscle gain.

I dont get it. Is everyone in such a gigantic hurry now, or is it that no one thinks a worthy goal is worth the effort?

1) AAS is more readily accessible both to get and information about via the internet.
2) Introduction of figure competition - lower barriers to entry than FBB, more "acceptable" to the general populous, more "career" opportunities that stem from it (e.g. fitness modeling, etc.)
3) Unstated fact that most competitors are using -- therefore implying that there is no chance of winning or going anywhere unless you are using. This is already an established case in FBB (unless strictly and regularly tested natural organizations). Because of the increasing number of people entering figure, the need to stand out among them becomes more pronounced.
4) Yep, its 'easier' -- the era of "quick results".

 

[amandaa727]

well im glad you all have found something to complain about. Thats not what this post was for. some of you talking about steroid use before exhausting natural ability. I've been training for 5yrs. i wasn't active when i was young and didnt eat enough protien so these 5 years have been hard work. but ive been training like a warrior and have improved my body temendously. those pics are pre cycle and i have a really nice full butt now which i didnt have that i BUILT MYSELF. and as far as the people talking about people popping pills while eating "cheat food" to avoid absorbing it - everyone has emotional problems in which they react differently to. some people use food, sex, drugs, booze ect for comfort. I am one of the people who use food (since i definatly am not into narcotics) to feel full inside. but as you can see im still "fit" . You dont need to knock anyone down. you know how much effort it takes to get to your goal and we all work our butts off regardless of what we take. its a lot of pressure we put on ourselves and congrats to those looking for help regarless if its cheat tabs or aas to get them to their goal. thats definatly better than not caring how they look and feel. i say " women, we are here for support. not judgement."

 

[The Shadow]

^^^Roid rage

LOL

 

[Sassy69]

Well, that isn't helping anything.


Amanda can you post up specifically what you eat - take what you ate today and list it meal by meal w/ items in the meal & portions of each. And also specifically what you do for training & cardio. The AAS cycles are nothing more than supplements to a competition diet & training regimen. If you are doing things like gigantic dessert 3x/week and cycling, not only are you wasting your cycle, you are not going to get the goals that you are looking for - -you may get some muscle, but w/ the garbage diet you are not allowing your body to be slowly tweaked to achieve the competition goals you are looking for.

Let's start w/ what you are doing now as a context and look for ways to get you where you want to go. Often you dont' even need the cycles to get where you want to go and diet & training can do amazing things. But if those aren't in line, the rest is just a waste.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Let's start w/ what you are doing now as a context and look for ways to get you where you want to go. Often you dont' even need the cycles to get where you want to go and diet & training can do amazing things. But if those aren't in line, the rest is just a waste.

Exactly.

 

[amandaa727]

Well, that isn't helping anything.


Amanda can you post up specifically what you eat - take what you ate today and list it meal by meal w/ items in the meal & portions of each. And also specifically what you do for training & cardio. The AAS cycles are nothing more than supplements to a competition diet & training regimen. If you are doing things like gigantic dessert 3x/week and cycling, not only are you wasting your cycle, you are not going to get the goals that you are looking for - -you may get some muscle, but w/ the garbage diet you are not allowing your body to be slowly tweaked to achieve the competition goals you are looking for.

Let's start w/ what you are doing now as a context and look for ways to get you where you want to go. Often you dont' even need the cycles to get where you want to go and diet & training can do amazing things. But if those aren't in line, the rest is just a waste.

cardio- empty stomach 30min(elliptical-stairstepper)- 6days week
breakfast- 6egg whites 1/2cup oatmeal
snack-cottage cheese n berries
workout- ( mon-shoulders tues-quads wed-back thurs-hams n glutes Fri-arms) abs n calves 3x week
snack- fat free sugar free frozen yougurt
Lunch-chicken/fish(steamed) n 1/2 cup brown rice
snack- 6 eggwhites n 1cup puffed corn
dinner-tuna n broccoli
snack- protien shake n penutbutter/celery
=1500cals but then i end up eatting something bad latter or i eat too much healthy stuff and then my avereage calorie intake is 2800-4000cals a day. i dont know how im not gaining much fat weight. im definatly softer but still the same size. but i bought some things to curb my appetite. i stopped the clen cus i think it was making me hungry.
supplements-vitamin,lean tabs(rock!),hoodia,cla,5-htp,milk thystle,digestive enzymes, flax seed,chromium picolinate with hydroxycitric acid.
i put more pics to see my changes. muscles are bigger but definatly softer. got to get the bodyfat down.

 

[Sassy69]

Thx for the more detail. It would really help you if you put that meal plan into a food counts program so you know what the macronutrient break down is first. 1500 cals is a decent cal count but I coudlnt' tell you what the protein / carb / fat is. And as far as the dessert stuff, I can't tell you how much those binges are going to screw up your progress. For all the work you are doign w/ the diet, cardio and training to get your body to respond, its like having a high performance Lamberghini running the best gasoline you can get, and then throwing mud in the tank.

You are in great shape now & if you chose to go after a figure competition in July I believe you could easily do it. Assuming you tighten up the diet. Right now, you are roughly 12 weeks out then? That's easily do-able.

I'm not familiar w/ lean tabs, and PLEASE tell me what you think of the hoodia stuff (i'm taking Dietex which is an appetite suppressant based on hoodia w/ some other stuff), but don't look to those to be the soul source of appetite control for the dessert thing. If you are looking for diet guidance, I think that Shadow's diet will work well for you because what you really need is just a consistent diet.

For competition, I think you have a great base & you aren't having to deal w/ a lot of extra bodyfat. If you are 16% now, its not a big deal to get down to 10-12% for you. You've got long lean legs and no butt saggage. I think you want to get your delts to cap out a little more and get a little more on your legs - a little more sweep on the lower half. Also whatever you can get on your arms, but focus more on getting the wide shoulders and just generally tighten up everything. The only thing I'd comment on w/ the training is to maybe cut your abs down to no more than 2x / week -- you want a long lean torso, and lots of ab work can get you wider than you want. The diet will get you the six -pack.

 

[amandaa727]

Thx for the more detail. It would really help you if you put that meal plan into a food counts program so you know what the macronutrient break down is first. 1500 cals is a decent cal count but I coudlnt' tell you what the protein / carb / fat is. And as far as the dessert stuff, I can't tell you how much those binges are going to screw up your progress. For all the work you are doign w/ the diet, cardio and training to get your body to respond, its like having a high performance Lamberghini running the best gasoline you can get, and then throwing mud in the tank.

You are in great shape now & if you chose to go after a figure competition in July I believe you could easily do it. Assuming you tighten up the diet. Right now, you are roughly 12 weeks out then? That's easily do-able.

I'm not familiar w/ lean tabs, and PLEASE tell me what you think of the hoodia stuff (i'm taking Dietex which is an appetite suppressant based on hoodia w/ some other stuff), but don't look to those to be the soul source of appetite control for the dessert thing. If you are looking for diet guidance, I think that Shadow's diet will work well for you because what you really need is just a consistent diet.

For competition, I think you have a great base & you aren't having to deal w/ a lot of extra bodyfat. If you are 16% now, its not a big deal to get down to 10-12% for you. You've got long lean legs and no butt saggage. I think you want to get your delts to cap out a little more and get a little more on your legs - a little more sweep on the lower half. Also whatever you can get on your arms, but focus more on getting the wide shoulders and just generally tighten up everything. The only thing I'd comment on w/ the training is to maybe cut your abs down to no more than 2x / week -- you want a long lean torso, and lots of ab work can get you wider than you want. The diet will get you the six -pack.

thank you for your input. the hoodia is alright but when u team it up with lean tabs whoa! good stuff. ive been on it two days and i lost all the water weight so i instantly look leaner and wow on the energy (happy, feel good energy)and my appetite is definatly lower. i didnt notice any change with hoodia alone until i started lean tabs by fizogen. im hoping to put a couple inches of muscle mass everywhere get some big sexy theighs and arms but i think w/ these lean tabs teamed with my aas, i can get there and get a lean midsection. ive never had abs and i have developed them nicely but they arent visible cus of my diet but now that i have my cravings under control. we'll see. i'll keep posting my progress. thanks.