Why the AMES test does not say DNP is safe

[Andy13]

Well Andy, with whats known now about DNP and its dangers, would you say that it can still be used relitivly safely? I ask becasue nothing comes close to DNP in terms of fat loss effectiveness, nothing, and ive tried a lot......

You know, I cannot say for sure... Safe for BBers to self administer? No way.. Safe for people to use under the care of a physician? I still don't think we can be absolutely sure..

Everybody and his brother and sister have used DNP while managing to keep themselves out of an emergency room or funeral home. But it's those exceptions that raise all kinds of question marks.. Are the less-lucky one's representative of a % of the population that are extremely sensitive to the drug or are they (Darwinistic style) victems of their own stupidity? We will never know with out (much) more credible research.

Andy

 

[Lumberg]

Now we shouldnt go around yelling "DNP can cause cancer" and shit....
The truth is, the AMES test is/was vastly used to detect carcinogens and DNP passed the test.
Instead of stating reasons as to why DNP isnt a good candidate for the AMES test, how about showing us proof that DNP IS carcinogenic.
Are you ready to base your opinions off of one persons belief on how the AMES test is inadiquate?

You just missed the entire point of this thread.

 

[bigrand]

Lumberg, how do you figure?
All im saying is even though the AMES test might not be a good test to determine whether DNP is a carcinogen, there is no known evidence that proves DNP IS carcinogenic.

I understand that just because DNP passed the test, in this case, doesnt prove that its not carcinogenic, but that doesnt mean that it IS.

So, now we are at a point of unknown, but judging by the history of use in medicine in two cases ive read (one old and one more modern), people shouldnt fear for their lives after using DNP.

"Why the AMES test does not say DNP is safe"..........where is it said that it ISNT safe?

 

[Andy13]

Lumberg, how do you figure?
All im saying is even though the AMES test might not be a good test to determine whether DNP is a carcinogen, there is no known evidence that proves DNP IS carcinogenic.

I understand that just because DNP passed the test, in this case, doesnt prove that its not carcinogenic, but that doesnt mean that it IS.

So, now we are at a point of unknown, but judging by the history of use in medicine in two cases ive read (one old and one more modern), people shouldnt fear for their lives after using DNP.

"Why the AMES test does not say DNP is safe"..........where is it said that it ISNT safe?

It's kind of a "All German Shephards are dogs but not all dogs are German Shephards" type of thing.

By the way, Bigrand, what's your major?

Andy

 

[Andy13]

It's kind of a "All German Shephards are dogs but not all dogs are German Shephards" type of thing.



Andy

Let me just clarify...

"All drugs that fail the Ames test are carcinogens but not all carcinogens fail the Ames test."

There.. How's that?

Andy

 

[bigrand]

Yeaup, sounds good Andy. In this case, the AMES test doesnt tell us shit about DNP. It doesnt prove it isnt a carcinogen, but there is nothing else proving it is.
"All drugs that fail the Ames test are carcinogens but not all carcinogens fail the Ames test."

I just didnt want people to start believing the last part. "oh no, DNP IS one of those carcinogens that passed"
Nobody said it IS a carcinogen........



Well, as of now, im going just for my BS in Microbiology or Molecular biology (will decide in a few months). Then, either medschool, or graduate nursing program (have all the pre-recs done to go into the program, and it pays good as hell while im still involved with medicine).

It will stay medicine, but im not POSITIVE as to where in medicine because everyday, i learn something new i want to persue (like the info in this thread).

 

[Ceebs]

Bump. Any more thoughts?

 

[bigrand]

I wish i could say for certian how safe DNP is, but the fact is there hasnt been enough research (at least with regards to carcinogenity, according to what was stated about the AMES test) to say for sure. Im going with what is documented, both medically and through the underground. I say its still safe to use if you know what you are doing and you do it in short cycles.
Maybe oneday, I will be in a position to find out for sure with a future education and the right equipment, that is unless someone beats me to it....

 

[Andy13]

Maybe oneday, I will be in a position to find out for sure with a future education and the right equipment, that is unless someone beats me to it....

It could so easily be done... And the materials required are cheap for the well-equiped lab..

The problem is: I don't believe it would be publishable material.. unless it was incorporated into a larger manuscript. But who knows...

It's asking a lot of someone to take the time to run these assays for nothing. Of course, it is VERY interesting and worthy for us.. and may even stem an idea for a publishable paper... but it may be hard to convince someone of this.

Andy

 

[bigrand]

Well, with DNPs history as a prescribed fat burner, it might not be so far fetched. There is already a good amount of info on it, i mean, its carcinogenity has never really been questioned when it was used before until now and it seems to respect the bodys organs like the liver and kidneys and such. There is currently research with human uncoupling protiens anyway, DNP could be a model for that???
Why has the carcinigenity issue never come up before? Why has it not been discussed until now on this board? That seems to be the real question mark with regards to DNP therapy...