why are women so sneaky

[GoldenDelicious]

You misunderstood what I said and you still haven't made your case for women becoming men. Being financially independent does not equate a woman becoming a man. I don't define a man's role as being breadwinner only. The role a man plays in the relationship dynamic goes beyond the variables of economic viability, who earns the money and to what degree? That's merely one aspect, not the all encompassing focus.

So women can have casual sex without repercussions? That means they have taken on a "man's role"? Nugga, pleaseeeeeeeeeee....

I would agree with you that women don't "need" men like they have in the past, but to say that they have taken on men's roles in society.......that's a reach.

If that were the case, women would stay single and rely on their dildos.......but save the minority, most careerminded women still date men and still engage in relationships. So really, your case for women becoming men has no merit.

You're reaching.......

DIV

i understood what you were saying; you were talking about male/female roles within the relationship, providing direction for the family unit etc etc. i disagree fundamentally with your position, and would have thought that by alluding to modern womens ability to thrive independently without any male influence at all, it would go without saying that a woman is capable of fulfilling a mans role in a relationship; furthermore, i made the distinction between traditional and modern relationships, because i will only ever agree with your position if we were talking about traditionally structured relationships, where men are breadwinners and women are homekeepers. imo, the evolution of the traditional relationship model was driven by neccessity, not choice; it is simply the most efficient way to run a family unit, where each partner does waht they are most suited to doing - men to hunting/gathering/providing, and women childbearing/nurturing/teaching.

i dont think that anyone could contest my previous assertation that neccessity/survival were the driving factors behind the shaping of the traditional relationship model; nor can anyone truly deny that that same neccessity, that need to be so efficient, has been diminished by the civilization of our society, which now provides legislative/welfare measures to make the need for specialisation between the sexes largely redundant.

these days we're all just a social security number, bor.

 

[DIVISION]

these days we're all just a social security number, bor.

Women tend to want longterm relationships in greater numbers than men.

That alone is argument enough to support my statment that women will never be men.

Traditional, Untraditional.........doesn't matter.

I'm a realist and I go by what I see around me.......and believe me, I would tend to give credence to what you said if I didn't have women flirting with me.....wanting "something" from me on a constant basis. I don't pursue them, they pursue me......and this alone proves you wrong.



DIV

 

[GoldenDelicious]

I'm a realist and I go by what I see around me.......and believe me, I would tend to give credence to what you said if I didn't have women flirting with me.....wanting "something" from me on a constant basis. I don't pursue them, they pursue me......and this alone proves you wrong.

alright

what do they want, and why does it prove your point

 

[DIVISION]

alright

what do they want, and why does it prove your point

Usually attention......in some fashion or casual sex, I'd imagine. I don't sit there with a clipboard and ask them to fill out a questionnaire to find out their exact reason. If I'm not interested in them, I don't talk to them...

It proves my point in that if women were men they wouldn't seek out relationships like they do.......I don't chase women, it's pointless. But they sure go out of their way to pursue me for some reason....





DIV

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Usually attention......in some fashion or casual sex, I'd imagine. I don't sit there with a clipboard and ask them to fill out a questionnaire to find out their exact reason. If I'm not interested in them, I don't talk to them...

It proves my point in that if women were men they wouldn't seek out relationships like they do.......I don't chase women, it's pointless. But they sure go out of their way to pursue me for some reason....

oh come on div, i expected far better! you cant expect to reply to my post with the indifferent, incurious, petulant bullshit above!

what has attention to do with masculine and feminine roles? do you attribute insecurity and need for attention to the female species alone? and what need for a questionairre, youre studying to be a shrink (djufo is a practicing shrink, by the way...his last success was on his penis, and he has been unable to reverse his success...oh well ), you should be profiling people left and right!

and what the hell is this??!:

It proves my point in that if women were men they wouldn't seek out relationships like they do

are you being serious? because a woman is chasing a man, she isnt fulfilling a masculine role? surely you can see that women being proactive and instigatory in their courtship is far closer to the traditional masculine role than to the feminine! i dont see how this helps you at all, even if it werent a single issue in a complex question, leaving other, more pertinent aspects unadressed

who are you and where is the real div!!

 

[SoKlueles]

ok this raises another question......why do men have double standards for themselves and women?

 

[GoldenDelicious]

ok this raises another question......why do men have double standards for themselves and women?

because men are twice as good, now shush

 

[SoKlueles]

because men are twice as good, now shush

twice as good as what? doublestandards? yeah this i agree on


now hush and do what i say

 

[Evil_Frisky]

Please..........come up with something new.

If women were all direct and forthcoming, communication wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Very few women are actually as direct as they should be, they wait and become resentful when they should have been speaking up all along.

I don't think it's women being "sneaky" as much as they expect guys to read their minds and it just ain't gonna happen. I can read what a woman wants as much as the next guy, but at some point a woman actually needs to open her mouth and articulate. It's called meeting us halfway.....





DIV

It was meant to be the same ol same ol statement!

I've never had a problem with speaking my mind! You can't lump all women in the same mound. If something is bothering me and I say it.. If I want something I say it.. and on and on. I'm not a bitcher and I'm not a whiner, for the most part I do what I have to do with or without the male gender.

 

[Evil_Frisky]

"But if he wants me, he'll have to learn to understand me and know me"...this is where you threaten to close the wallet if they dont start sayin it like it is.

LOL @ threaten to close the wallet

I make my own dough sugarpie... that wouldn't be a threat!