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Why am I so exhausted??

Outtlaw

Outtlaw

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Why am I so damn tired all the time while "on"? Is it just me or does this happen to anyone else also? In a 24hr day I can easily sleep 16 hrs. I have to get up to eat, but other than that Im practically dead. And after hardcore workouts it's even worse. I was supposed to train calfs this weekend, but couldnt get out to the gym because I was too damn tired to train.

I bought some caffeine pills to try and combat the problem, but all that did was increase my heart rate and give me a splitting headache. Any ideas on what might be going on or what I can do about this?

Incase it's needed Im currently on tren/eq/winny all of which I've run before with exception to the eq (1st time on that).
 
I would add in a small test dose. Your test levels are probably surpressed. I was doing npp standalone for awhile and I was tired as all hell. Added in prop 100 mg eod and had more energy than normal.
 
How is your veggie and complex carb consumption? I felt some lethargy while on EQ but I was also on Test. Holla back :Chef: :tuc:
 
boyer said:
I would add in a small test dose. Your test levels are probably surpressed. I was doing npp standalone for awhile and I was tired as all hell. Added in prop 100 mg eod and had more energy than normal.
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I'll be adding in prop in another week. I had to do it this way because Im rehabbing and couldnt deal with excess water retention. I'll see what happens when I add the prop, although Im skeptical that will solve the problem. Do you think that's all it is... low test levels??
 
chefbone said:
How is your veggie and complex carb consumption? I felt some lethargy while on EQ but I was also on Test. Holla back :Chef: :tuc:
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Veggie and complex carb consumption is fine. If you want #'s I cant produce them because I dont count them. So you think it might be lethargy from the eq??
 
Outtlaw said:
Veggie and complex carb consumption is fine. If you want #'s I cant produce them because I dont count them. So you think it might be lethargy from the eq??
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It's quite possible although I have always ran it with Test! :Chef: :tuc:
 
I have been battling this a little myself and I am on test/eq right now. Silverbackn mentioned it may be my estrogen levels and I do notice that since I am taking liquidec at .5 EOD, I am more tired on that second day inbetween doses, but on my liquidex days I feel a lot better. It is wierd because I can sleep a solid 10-12 hours on a day off, and 5 hours into my day after that great sleep, I could easily fall back asleep for 4-5 more hours. I'm not sure if it's the body using all it's fuel for muscle development or is there is a simpler/more complex answer. I too have tried energy pills and energy drinks and IF they help, it's for a short period of time. I hope you can get soem answers bro, I feel that pain!
 
WHAT outlaw with no test, i don't ever think i would hear that. i say the test is needed bro. especially since its such a major part of your cycles i think your body is wanting it.
 
bruce410 said:
WHAT outlaw with no test, i don't ever think i would hear that. i say the test is needed bro. especially since its such a major part of your cycles i think your body is wanting it.
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I'll throw the test in next week after I get the ok from my doc to train heavy again (hopefully). I didnt want to take a chance re-agrivating anything due to water retention. Lets hope you guys are right and adding the test should fix everything.
 
Outtlaw said:
I'll be adding in prop in another week. I had to do it this way because Im rehabbing and couldnt deal with excess water retention. I'll see what happens when I add the prop, although Im skeptical that will solve the problem. Do you think that's all it is... low test levels??
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I don't know, because I didn't get bloodwork done, but I felt that adding the test was definately beneficial in my case.
 
R u sure you're not over-training? This can still be a big problem when on steroids, not just when ur clean.
 
I am pretty tired most of the time as well, and I am on test. Naps help, but 40 hours of work, 3 baseball games, 3x workouts, and life's usual bullshit all rolled into a week can wear me down - you have to deal, and know that you are getting bigger becuase of it.



Bluesman
 
Add test and make sure you're not overtraining or undereating if sleep isn't an issue. More than likely, it's low test levels.
 
I doubt Im overtraining. I made it to the gym 3x last week, all 45-1 hr sessions. Im gonna add in a low dose of test today and see if that makes a difference. I'll try to hit everyone that I can with Karma.
 
I already know what your problem is. YOu are sleeping too damn much!! 16 hours a day!?! If I get in more than 8, i'm crap the whole day. No motivation at all. It is very normal. But this is based on my experiences, so don't take it as solid advice

Whiskey
 
Whiskey said:
I already know what your problem is. YOu are sleeping too damn much!! 16 hours a day!?! If I get in more than 8, i'm crap the whole day. No motivation at all. It is very normal. But this is based on my experiences, so don't take it as solid advice

Whiskey
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I know what you mean. Under normal circumstances Im the same way. If I sleep more than 10hrs Im lackadaizical the whole day. But this is different. I'll sleep like 8hrs, get up and eat (after which point normally Im up) but now Im so tired I immediately want to go right back to bed. And my body feels extremely tired, not like normal when you 1st wake up. Even if I got up after another 4hrs, I'd still be exhausted again after I was up for a couple of hrs and have to go back to sleep.
 
bruce410 said:
let us know how the test goes, 16 hours is a lot of sleepin
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Well 16hrs is a bad day (like yesterday). Normally its been around 12-14. But when Im off its at 10-11 tops.
 
hmmmm I say ADD test!!!, Something similar happened to be but it was with M1T pro hormone that stuff I got really good gains but damn lethargy like mofo so after 5 weeks gave it the boot and stated real test and what a difference
 
i guess i never realized it but winny made me a sack of shit as well. i remember i was on gear and having to talk myself into hitting the gym. deca and tbol never did that. good call biceps
 
Hmm, dont think I've ever noticed that side from winny before. But Im gonna be looking for it now. And Im actually using less winny than I normally do this time around. This is my last week of winny anyways, so we'll see what happens.
 
i get tired a lot when on. lately i've been getting power naps at work on my break and lunch. fuck it's hard to stay awake lately. but i only get about 5-7hrs a night due to my schedule. i dropped my test a few weeks ago, but i been tired like this for months now. i'm adding winny in a couple weeks, hope it doesnt get worse.
dbol usually makes me very lethargic during the day , but i havent done any dbol since january.
 
I had the same problem bro, tired all the time, sleepin at work, sleeping all weekend with my girl.. then my neck swelled up like a fuckin tumor and I found I had mono :(

now im still tired all the time but it's not so bad.. I think tren is the main culprit
 
Look peeps! Lets cut the shit out OK! Its the fucking Trenny Tren. Nuff said. High progesterone levels cause high metabolism. Hence the reason why you burn fat while on Tren. High progesterone levels cause lethargy. Hence the reason why you feel sleepy while on Tren. High progesteron causes extreme vascularity. Hence why Tren does this.

Bottom line...its the fucking Tren. Drop it!!!! Let it go!!!! Not worth it!!! I also read that high progesteron levels causes internal bleeding of the uterus or something like that. No LIE! But I was starting to shit bloody stools while on the Tren. And since I stopped taking the Tren. NO MORE bloody stools. Let it go!
 
See and the thing is that lately I have seen some bros complain how lethargic they get from Bold. Why???? And I do know that Bold causes vascularity. Just like the way high progesterone causes vascularity?????? So does that mean that Bold raises progesterone? Causing both vascualrity and lethargy??? HMMMMMMMM. something to think about!!!!
 
fuck no, I like my calf veins.. and if I get a heavier than usual period it's a small price to pay. tren isnt too bad on me, apart from destroying my immune system and making me sweat like MJ at a boyscout convention
 
Carth said:
Look peeps! Lets cut the shit out OK! Its the fucking Trenny Tren. Nuff said. High progesterone levels cause high metabolism. Hence the reason why you burn fat while on Tren. High progesterone levels cause lethargy. Hence the reason why you feel sleepy while on Tren. High progesteron causes extreme vascularity. Hence why Tren does this.

Bottom line...its the fucking Tren. Drop it!!!! Let it go!!!! Not worth it!!! I also read that high progesteron levels causes internal bleeding of the uterus or something like that. No LIE! But I was starting to shit bloody stools while on the Tren. And since I stopped taking the Tren. NO MORE bloody stools. Let it go!
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I didnt see anything in those links that stated extreme fatigue as a side effect of high progesterone. I've taken tren many times before, but I've never noted extreme fatigue from it. The only AAS I've noticed that from is dbol. And even if high prog levels was the culprit, you'd think that dostinex would remedy the effect then. Also, I have to watch for progesterone induced gyno signs from using things like deca, but I've never had that problem with tren. Maybe it's all coincidence.
 
Outtlaw said:
I didnt see anything in those links that stated extreme fatigue as a side effect of high progesterone. I've taken tren many times before, but I've never noted extreme fatigue from it. The only AAS I've noticed that from is dbol. And even if high prog levels was the culprit, you'd think that dostinex would remedy the effect then. Also, I have to watch for progesterone induced gyno signs from using things like deca, but I've never had that problem with tren. Maybe it's all coincidence.
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You were looking for lethargy. It is actually drowsiness. Same fucking shit if you look at it bro.
 
Carth said:
You were looking for lethargy. It is actually drowsiness. Same fucking shit if you look at it bro.
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Drowsiness, fatigue, lethargy..... I didnt see any of that listed in the side effects of the links you posted.
 
Ok, I see it now. Stupid me :rolleyes: ...I wasnt reading closely. Fatigue doesnt seem to be at the top of the list of signs and symptoms but it's there. But back to my theory from before... if it is in fact high progesterone levels, then wouldnt you think dostinex would remedy the situation?
 
Outtlaw said:
Ok, I see it now. Stupid me :rolleyes: ...I wasnt reading closely. Fatigue doesnt seem to be at the top of the list of signs and symptoms but it's there. But back to my theory from before... if it is in fact high progesterone levels, then wouldnt you think dostinex would remedy the situation?
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Dos ( cabergoline ) is for prolactin.
 
I agree with Bicepts, it's the Winny... The easiest thing to do is cut the Winny from your cycle and see the difference it makes...Add a little pct even though you are still on and once the Winny shoots from your system your energy levels will increase..Winny sucks for lethargy in certain combos...It's an easy one to try....
Cheers
Ed
 
Carth said:
Dos ( cabergoline ) is for prolactin.
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Ok, I've lost my damn mind today. Let me try again.

Here's what Im getting at. Im assuming that high progesterone levels would most likely cause gyno symptoms in males (which I have none). Yes, Im taking tren but only a minimal amount. 75mg/eod. Sometimes that eod gets pushed to a third day based upon whether or not I feel like doing another injection that day. So I highly doubt that my progesterone levels are that elevated from the small amount of tren Im taking. 2nd... Im also taking winstrol, which (although still debatable) is said to have at the least "some" progesterone blocking abilities. When you add that in the equation, I just dont see how my progesterone levels could be that elevated. And I've used all of these things before without incodent. The only variable is the eq.
 
ed2005 said:
I agree with Bicepts, it's the Winny... The easiest thing to do is cut the Winny from your cycle and see the difference it makes...Add a little pct even though you are still on and once the Winny shoots from your system your energy levels will increase..Winny sucks for lethargy in certain combos...It's an easy one to try....
Cheers
Ed
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Well, Im stopping the winny in 2-3days. So we'll see what happens then. I'll report back and let everyone know if there's any difference.
 
Outtlaw said:
Well, Im stopping the winny in 2-3days. So we'll see what happens then. I'll report back and let everyone know if there's any difference.
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I am certain that Winny is the culprit but please make sure you do 3 weeks PCT when you stop...Nolva, Clomid and arimidex or whatever your best formula is...Winny for me sucks on the lethargy front and even more so when on the down phase....Just because you are still 'on' with other substances doesn't mean that the oral downgrade won't have an effect...
I hope this helps and gets you back to normal..There's nothing worse than this tiredness shit... Good luck Outlaw...
Ed
 
I'd bet it is probably a correlation with lowered testosterone levels while taking trenbolone. Tren is awesome, but without test, you will feel like crap and drained. How are things since you added back in the test???

Also, tren has more of an effect on prolactin levels than progesterone.

I'd do one variable at a time. If you add more than one, you may not know exactly what the culprit is. I'd give the test 2-3 weeks to see if things turn around positively for you. I've seen this exact scenario from people many times over the years. If the test doesn't positively effect anything, then you may want to go get lab work done.

BMJ
 
MR. BMJ said:
I'd bet it is probably a correlation with lowered testosterone levels while taking trenbolone. Tren is awesome, but without test, you will feel like crap and drained. How are things since you added back in the test???

Also, tren has more of an effect on prolactin levels than progesterone.

I'd do one variable at a time. If you add more than one, you may not know exactly what the culprit is. I'd give the test 2-3 weeks to see if things turn around positively for you. I've seen this exact scenario from people many times over the years. If the test doesn't positively effect anything, then you may want to go get lab work done.

BMJ
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Well said! Could it be your diet???? Maybe you are eating too much high glycemic carbs? Try switching to ALL low glycemic carbs.
 
Outtlaw said:
I know what you mean. Under normal circumstances Im the same way. If I sleep more than 10hrs Im lackadaizical the whole day. But this is different. I'll sleep like 8hrs, get up and eat (after which point normally Im up) but now Im so tired I immediately want to go right back to bed. And my body feels extremely tired, not like normal when you 1st wake up. Even if I got up after another 4hrs, I'd still be exhausted again after I was up for a couple of hrs and have to go back to sleep.
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man that is exactly me there. I hate it.
 
uterus is in women.....you cant base a study done on women, on men

add test and when the winny is done im sure ull be fine

there is not reason to do any pct while still on cycle
 
Ok, well it's been a couple days since I added in the test. And while things are not completely back to normal with my sleep patterns, I can say that the test has seemed to help somewhat. At least Im not completely drained like I was before. So all those who said that adding in the test would help seem to be right so far. I'll be dropping the winny soon, so we'll see what happens then. I'll give another update once that happens.
 
Outtlaw said:
Ok, well it's been a couple days since I added in the test. And while things are not completely back to normal with my sleep patterns, I can say that the test has seemed to help somewhat. At least Im not completely drained like I was before. So all those who said that adding in the test would help seem to be right so far. I'll be dropping the winny soon, so we'll see what happens then. I'll give another update once that happens.
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Yes, definately give us an update because i've seen this scenario popped up a couple times the last month. That's cool that it is getting better though. The sleeping patterns may or may not improve while on the tren, as you probably know from previous experience. On tren, it's as if I get a second wind about an hour before I go to bed, and i'll usually stay up thinking i'm gonna miss something...so i'll usually sit on the boards and watch the time go by...lol. That and changing my sweaty shirts a bunch at night doesn't help with the sleep...my poor bed:)

BMJ
 
tomp said:
Carth is the same guy that does 300mg test nad 600mg EQ and wonders why he experinces a loss of libido! http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php?t=187312

All these exclamation points and the end of his sentences so someone will believe him, but has been proven to not know jack!
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What? Your grammer is off. You didn't seem to make any sense in your ability to speak the english language. What are you trying to say?
 
I have not read all threads but many times when on a cycle and you start getting real tired and sleepy your liver could be stressed. Have it check just to make sure.
 
hey bro
just a thought but perhaps its due to the raised RBC that EQ tends to do to "most" people......i am no doctor so take what i say with a grain of salt....as for it being the winny well winny tended to give me alot of energy when i took it...again everyone is different....maybe a simple blood test to see where ALL of your values stand then it wont be speculation by anyone but FACT...PEACE
 
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