Very confused about which routine to stick with long term ??

[StuWard]

I would alternate the 5x5 exercise each time. For example do bench first time, do Military the next time you do push. Do that especially if your do push/pull/legs/rest. That will give you recovery time. You won't be able to give adequate attention to the second 5x5 exercise. Use something like 3 x 8-12 for the other exercises. What's you leg day like?

 

[SirDingo]

I would alternate the 5x5 exercise each time. For example do bench first time, do Military the next time you do push. Do that especially if your do push/pull/legs/rest. That will give you recovery time. You won't be able to give adequate attention to the second 5x5 exercise. Use something like 3 x 8-12 for the other exercises. What's you leg day like?

Thank's for the reply, so one workout do 5x5 BenchPress and 4x8 MilitaryPress, then next workout do 4x8 BenchPress and 5x5 MilitaryPress ??

 

[StuWard]

That would work, the idea is pick one exercise per workout to hit hard on and do it first. Then use the others to exhaust your muscles earlier, knowing full out that you should not be able to do them as heavy since you will already be partially fatiqued. I think 8 reps is still too heavy for the secondary exercises. I said 8-12 suggesting that you stay in the hypertrophy range, not the strength range.

 

[gurusevuppal]

Dingo..the answer is there is no one program. Your body needs to changes and to try to mix things up..different exercises, different stimuli, different rep ranges, most importantly... MORE WEIGHT ADDED TO THE BAR.

Stick with what works. If you are growing/gaining on the 5x5 don't think about stopping. But the day you come to a wall..don't be afraid to try something different. Not for the same of difference, but to explore and grow.

However, keep in mind this.. if you are not getting stronger, if you are not adding weight to that bar, if your muscles are not growing... then change for change's sake is useless.

In the end, the only thing that matters is results.

mate, i totally agree with you. i been working out less than a year. when i started i was doing bb type workout. i gained size and definition and my arms gone massive. but then, when i jumped to 5x5 madcow variation, i lost heaps of my size but my strength was going up. now, iam going to do needsize 5x5 variation so i can concentrate on my size now.

 

[SirDingo]

mate, i totally agree with you. i been working out less than a year. when i started i was doing bb type workout. i gained size and definition and my arms gone massive. but then, when i jumped to 5x5 madcow variation, i lost heaps of my size but my strength was going up. now, iam going to do needsize 5x5 variation so i can concentrate on my size now.

Thank's for the reply, so now that I have doen the 5x5 for all Summer like 4months what is the BB type workout compared to the 5x5 ?? Is that more like a 4x10 routine ??

 

[gurusevuppal]

Thank's for the reply, so now that I have doen the 5x5 for all Summer like 4months what is the BB type workout compared to the 5x5 ?? Is that more like a 4x10 routine ??

i know what u mean, people should look at you and think well this guy works out a bit. but on program like madcow 5x5, you dont get bigger but more stonger. anyways, few things i wanna talk abt, firstly jumping from 5x5 to bb workout actually really helps to put mass on bcoz of lower volume. secondly, i wont actually go totally into bb workout routine rather than i'll prefer needsize 5x5 variation with lower volume. if you have developed good strength thru madcow 5x5 then go for one big compound exercise and some isolation work for specific muscle. i hope this helps you bit.

 

[beerdrinker]

if you have developed good strength thru madcow 5x5 then go for one big compound exercise and some isolation work for specific muscle. i hope this helps you bit.

He didn't do Macdow's 5x5 or anything like it. He just did some lifts with 5 sets of 5 reps. If you look at his plan, he did each lift only once a week, probably because some moron told him you can't recover in less than a week or some shit. That's part of his problem. If he had done Starr's 5x5 and actually understood it, he wouldn't be asking questions about hitting plateaus either. Bottom line, if you aren't squatting 3x a week, you can't call it Bill Starr's/Macdow's 5x5. Sometimes I'm sure this guy is just trolling because he seems incapable of listening or understanding anything beyond a rep range.

 

[SirDingo]

He didn't do Macdow's 5x5 or anything like it. He just did some lifts with 5 sets of 5 reps. If you look at his plan, he did each lift only once a week, probably because some moron told him you can't recover in less than a week or some shit. That's part of his problem. If he had done Starr's 5x5 and actually understood it, he wouldn't be asking questions about hitting plateaus either. Bottom line, if you aren't squatting 3x a week, you can't call it Bill Starr's/Macdow's 5x5. Sometimes I'm sure this guy is just trolling because he seems incapable of listening or understanding anything beyond a rep range.

First off my name is Dave and not "some guy". And I was doing the PUSH and PULL twice a week each exercise, taking one day off between. It was referred to me by another website where a few of the guys there said it really helped learn the basics movements and build up strength, which it did that for sure for me.

At first of my 5x5 routine could only max Bench Press 150lbs, then 3-4months later was up to 200lbs, and each exercise all went up in weights by a good amount, but now after almost 4months I seem to be hitting a wall.

So my point and question is, what is next after ya did the 5x5 program what do I move onto now to continue to bulk up ?? I have read some guys tell me to try something more like 4sets of 8reps with very slow and controlled movement, and add 2.5 plates each week to each exercise and that will fill me out ??

 

[StuWard]

"4sets of 8reps with very slow and controlled movement" will help on the size part but won't do anything on the strength part. "add 2.5 plates each week" will help in your strength progression but probably won't help on the size part.

It all depends on what you want to do.

Stu

 

[SirDingo]

"4sets of 8reps with very slow and controlled movement" will help on the size part but won't do anything on the strength part. "add 2.5 plates each week" will help in your strength progression but probably won't help on the size part.

It all depends on what you want to do.

Stu

Ok so you agree the 4x8 will help in the size department and that adding 2.5 plates each week will only help in strength, so I am combining the two to get bulked up and stronger ??