Turinabol+ Anavar ULTIMATE STACK!

[awittyusername]

Since T-bol kicks in faster...How about stacking t-bol/var...

t-bol 50mg weeks 1 - 3 or 4
var 65mg weeks 2 -8

 

[Ross]

Im sorry, but this is 100% wrong.

test is test. Test is NOT methyltestosterone , or chlorodehydromethyltestosterone.

There are completely different animals.

A simple test to see if a drug is indeed testosterone: Take some, get T levels checked. If your total T levels went up, it is test, if not, it is not test.

MT has alomost zero anablosim, but by your rational, it should be very similar to test. It is not, at all.

MT and TBOL hardly have a thing in common with the molecule testosterone.

WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE STRUCTURE--we are modifying its properties. Changing the structure--ie METHYLTEST(all methylated androgens) or adding an atom like DIABABOL converting into BOLDENON is different.

By ADDING a CHLORO mol at the 14th Position renders the testosterone molectule incapable of aromatization. Turinabol is NOT TEST. TEST IS THE TESTOSTERONE MOLECULE--TBOL IS A MODIFIED TEST MOLECULE. though it still shares the same STRUCTURE--this is chemistry.

 

[Ross]

True, it is dose dependant. 25 mgs a day can still be 5 times more than your endogenous T. Shit, I grew off that. Not much, but I did. And I (personally) did not need nor use any PC, and kept all of my (small, but quality) gains.


While T is certainly more likey to produce faster and sometimes "harder" supression, the drugs listed above CAN do the same. It is very dose dependant. 2.5 mgs for var a day may not cause total HTPA supression, bu then again neither will 2.5 mgs of T. 25mgs may cause it ( I dont think it did on me, but I did not have blood tests, so that is speculative). However, 50-60 mgs of stan certainly has that same abilty, maybe even less.

and as for one of the injectables you like: EQ, that drug is highly androgenic (not as much as test or tren, but moreso than winstrol, primo, deca [though deca does cause supression via different mechanisms]. a decent dose of EQ , ~400mgs or over, will most definately cause total supression, and fast.

EQ, or BOLDENON, is approximately HALF as androgenic as test. This is a fact.

Secondly, yes, I SUPPOSE all androgens have the POTENTIAL to cause COMPLETE shutdown(Pituitary/testicular inhibition) BUT--the doses REQUIRED for that to happen are way more than I or you would use. For example, the normal TBOL dose is 50mgs--which will NOT cause SHUTDOWN. The normal test dose is at last 50-75mgs(prop) ED, which will cause COMPLETE SHUTDOWN.

I don't know what you are arguing?

TEST IS HARSH ON THE HPTA.

 

[Guvna]

By ADDING a CHLORO mol at the 14th Position renders the testosterone molectule incapable of aromatization. Turinabol is NOT TEST. TEST IS THE TESTOSTERONE MOLECULE--TBOL IS A MODIFIED TEST MOLECULE. though it still shares the same STRUCTURE--this is chemistry.

I understand that. However, it is also methylated, causing it to become an etirely different subastnce with different properties. Albiet, some are the same, with every drug, but most are different.

 

[Guvna]

I don't know what you are arguing?

That tbol, ox, winstrol, and primo DO cause supression, and CAN cause complete supression, just like test.

 

[Guvna]

WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE STRUCTURE--we are modifying its properties. Changing the structure--ie METHYLTEST(all methylated androgens) or adding an atom like DIABABOL converting into BOLDENON is different.

You cant modify properties without changing structure.

 

[Guvna]

For the record, I do like how tbol looks on paper, and if I still did 17AA drugs, I would use it- probably over var and dbol. However, as it stands now, the lipid problems associated with 17aa's far outweigh the other, sometimes more prominent side effects of testosterone. They are also not nearly as easily controlled as Test's sides. Therefore, testosterone is a better option for me, personally.

 

[Ross]

I understand that. However, it is also methylated, causing it to become an etirely different subastnce with different properties. Albiet, some are the same, with every drug, but most are different.

A Substance is methylated to aid in bioavailability--DEPENDING on what position the methylation is MADE, will determine if the properties change. (example, Methyltest is not methylated at the same pos. as Chlorodehydromethyltest. Same thing with 17-AA. Depending on the POSITION--ergo "superdrol".

 

[Ross]

That tbol, ox, winstrol, and primo DO cause supression, and CAN cause complete supression, just like test.

In the DOSAGES USED BY BODYBUILDERS--TBOL, PRIMO, EQ, and VAR WILL NOT CAUSE SHUTDOWN! I use 50mg TBOL! That is not enough to shut anyone down. I use 30mgs VAR--NO SHUTDOWN.

AT ANY DOSAGE--even HRT--TEST WILL CAUSE COMPLETE SHUTDOWN.

CMon man, we all know test requires anti-E's and heavy ancillaries, and HCG, ect ect ect.

IT is SILLY to argue about these facts. Test is a GREAT MASS builder--but it has one of the HIGHEST side-effect profiles and is extremely harsh on the HPTA.

 

[Ross]

You cant modify properties without changing structure.

hmmm....Go back to chemistry class....

lol...

Not true.....