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And in case any of you feel "dirty" by going to those forums, here it is:
Bill Roberts:
The individual you mention does seem to be working quite hard to bring about the result you mention, namely, ending the sale of a product competing with his; or at least some things are going on that appear to have his hand behind them. Certainly his company is involved.
Here's the situation as I understand it.
First, the nomenclature issue. The substance in question, 17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene-3-one (Androst-1-ene) is incorrectly called "1-testosterone" by vendors of it, and by a US prohormone manufacturer who sells 1-androstenediol, the benefit of which is supposed to be is that it converts in the body to this substance.
Ordinarily I don't use this term "1-testosterone" because it's illegitimate. In this post though it will be useful to distinguish the products of other vendors from Biotest's product, which is the ethylcarbonate ester of Androst-1-ene (A1-E.)
The previously-mentioned US prohormone manufacturer, as I understand it, does not and never has marketed "1-testosterone" because of inability to manufacture it in a pure form, without contamination by actual testosterone. Not surprising because they have never manufactured anything in a pure form, so far as I can tell.
Their 1-AD product is being destroyed in the marketplace by MAG-10 as well as by "1-testosterone" products by other vendors.
Because of their suspicion of "1-testosterone" products by their competitors being contaminated with testosterone, since they themselves can't manufacture it without that contamination and can't imagine anyone else could (Biotest can, however), they ordered some analyses done. Apparently these did find testosterone as well as in at least one case DHT and boldenone.
Their response was to inform on their competitors to the DEA.
Furthermore, the information was leaked to distributors and so forth with warnings that these products of their competitors are illegal and will "bring down the whole industry" or some similar quote.
The test results they obtained are questionable because in at least one case, this prohormone manufacture actually *performed a chemical reaction on a competitor's product themselves* before sending it off to be analyzed (a reaction which as a side product might actually convert one of the ingredients to testosterone) rather than sending an unopened bottle.
Furthermore the lab analysis method was not a conclusive one. So by no means was the best sort of testing done.
So I can't personally confirm whether the charges made by this manufacturer on their competitors' "1-testosterone" products are accurate or not. However, I do know that at least some of those products were in fact of low purity. The best guess seems to be that some of the products actually do have the problem of containing significant percentages of testosterone, which if so is illegal.
Anyway, at this point, certainly any manufacturer whose product DOES contain testosterone as a contaminant, is going to have to pull their product. It's illegal. This may be the case with the specific product you mention. In fact, at this point anyone who's not SURE that their product may not be contaminated is probably going to be pulling it.
I'm sure the presence of testosterone, if true, is not a case of a company "spiking" their product or knowingly being aware of the problem. Rather, it's a question of inadequate quality control, which unfortunately can be typical in the nutritional supplement industry. All that many companies would do is determine that a product is, say, 85% pure, and that's enough... they don't determine what the other 15% or whatever is. That's a bad policy: one HAS to know these things. In this case, apparently they may have gotten bit. Badly.
There is no issue here with MAG-10. Every sample, every batch, including pre-production, test, and production, of both raw materials (androst-1-ene itself prior to esterification, and 4-AD prior to esterification) and finished product (A1-E, 4-AD-EC, and the MAG-10 final formulation) has been thoroughly tested. There's no testosterone. The file of test results is three inches thick. Furthermore, after this issue arose, we did yet further testing by another method on the A1-E component, and the answer is still the same: no testosterone. Not in starting materials, not in intermediate, not in final product, not in any batch, not in any test we've done.
So anyway I won't be surprised if quite a few products get pulled, but MAG-10 won't be one of them.
Bill Roberts:
The individual you mention does seem to be working quite hard to bring about the result you mention, namely, ending the sale of a product competing with his; or at least some things are going on that appear to have his hand behind them. Certainly his company is involved.
Here's the situation as I understand it.
First, the nomenclature issue. The substance in question, 17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene-3-one (Androst-1-ene) is incorrectly called "1-testosterone" by vendors of it, and by a US prohormone manufacturer who sells 1-androstenediol, the benefit of which is supposed to be is that it converts in the body to this substance.
Ordinarily I don't use this term "1-testosterone" because it's illegitimate. In this post though it will be useful to distinguish the products of other vendors from Biotest's product, which is the ethylcarbonate ester of Androst-1-ene (A1-E.)
The previously-mentioned US prohormone manufacturer, as I understand it, does not and never has marketed "1-testosterone" because of inability to manufacture it in a pure form, without contamination by actual testosterone. Not surprising because they have never manufactured anything in a pure form, so far as I can tell.
Their 1-AD product is being destroyed in the marketplace by MAG-10 as well as by "1-testosterone" products by other vendors.
Because of their suspicion of "1-testosterone" products by their competitors being contaminated with testosterone, since they themselves can't manufacture it without that contamination and can't imagine anyone else could (Biotest can, however), they ordered some analyses done. Apparently these did find testosterone as well as in at least one case DHT and boldenone.
Their response was to inform on their competitors to the DEA.
Furthermore, the information was leaked to distributors and so forth with warnings that these products of their competitors are illegal and will "bring down the whole industry" or some similar quote.
The test results they obtained are questionable because in at least one case, this prohormone manufacture actually *performed a chemical reaction on a competitor's product themselves* before sending it off to be analyzed (a reaction which as a side product might actually convert one of the ingredients to testosterone) rather than sending an unopened bottle.
Furthermore the lab analysis method was not a conclusive one. So by no means was the best sort of testing done.
So I can't personally confirm whether the charges made by this manufacturer on their competitors' "1-testosterone" products are accurate or not. However, I do know that at least some of those products were in fact of low purity. The best guess seems to be that some of the products actually do have the problem of containing significant percentages of testosterone, which if so is illegal.
Anyway, at this point, certainly any manufacturer whose product DOES contain testosterone as a contaminant, is going to have to pull their product. It's illegal. This may be the case with the specific product you mention. In fact, at this point anyone who's not SURE that their product may not be contaminated is probably going to be pulling it.
I'm sure the presence of testosterone, if true, is not a case of a company "spiking" their product or knowingly being aware of the problem. Rather, it's a question of inadequate quality control, which unfortunately can be typical in the nutritional supplement industry. All that many companies would do is determine that a product is, say, 85% pure, and that's enough... they don't determine what the other 15% or whatever is. That's a bad policy: one HAS to know these things. In this case, apparently they may have gotten bit. Badly.
There is no issue here with MAG-10. Every sample, every batch, including pre-production, test, and production, of both raw materials (androst-1-ene itself prior to esterification, and 4-AD prior to esterification) and finished product (A1-E, 4-AD-EC, and the MAG-10 final formulation) has been thoroughly tested. There's no testosterone. The file of test results is three inches thick. Furthermore, after this issue arose, we did yet further testing by another method on the A1-E component, and the answer is still the same: no testosterone. Not in starting materials, not in intermediate, not in final product, not in any batch, not in any test we've done.
So anyway I won't be surprised if quite a few products get pulled, but MAG-10 won't be one of them.
Blood&Iron
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God is Biotest full of shit.
Bill is at it again
Pat you bastard, you should be ashamed squealing to the DEA like that. LOL
Notice they are accusing everyone and there brother of this without a SHREAD of evidence. Then again, who needs evidence, they work for T-mag, they wouldn't lie.
This is so funny it is pathetic. Pat could've realease 1-test long ago, while the Biowhores were still fumbling with TE-17 and NE-17(or whatever the fuck they were called). He knew about the problems and released 1-ad instead. Now Billy and the boy have come to the resecue producing Mag-10 with NO contaminates. To bad it kinda hard to produce something when your odering it from the chinese. It is incredible that they know so much more about 1-test than Pat does when they jumped on the band wagon so late.
Don't you like how Bill throws in little comments like "as I understand it" and "so far as I can tell". Probaby trying to avoid being sued for slander.
I think we should all take up a collection for PA & Ergopharm because MAG-10 is destroying 1-ad in the marketplace.
Pat you bastard, you should be ashamed squealing to the DEA like that. LOL
Notice they are accusing everyone and there brother of this without a SHREAD of evidence. Then again, who needs evidence, they work for T-mag, they wouldn't lie.
This is so funny it is pathetic. Pat could've realease 1-test long ago, while the Biowhores were still fumbling with TE-17 and NE-17(or whatever the fuck they were called). He knew about the problems and released 1-ad instead. Now Billy and the boy have come to the resecue producing Mag-10 with NO contaminates. To bad it kinda hard to produce something when your odering it from the chinese. It is incredible that they know so much more about 1-test than Pat does when they jumped on the band wagon so late.
Don't you like how Bill throws in little comments like "as I understand it" and "so far as I can tell". Probaby trying to avoid being sued for slander.
I think we should all take up a collection for PA & Ergopharm because MAG-10 is destroying 1-ad in the marketplace.
riskybizz007
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Thanks 2Demon for the post up on that.... Yes i would have felt dirty and would have never went to the website.... lol. They're a crock of shit... hate them although they did have at one point the best fat burner IMO, but that too was copied from Syntrax.
They're very good at copying and imitating.
They're very good at copying and imitating.
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