The 'Kobe Bryant sucks' thread (Sorearms)

[bluepeter]

It's a given that Kobe is selfish and arrogant. Nobody is disputing that.

With that aside, when talking about strictly skills Kobe is by far the most talented player in the NBA. Being arrogant or selfish doesn't change that fact. He is the most cluctch player in the league... maybe ever.

Again, wrong. In terms of your first point about stats, here are the ratings for this year:

Season Leaders: 2006-2006 - Average per game
PLAYER, TEAM POS GP MIN FG% FT% 3PM REB AST STL BLK TO PTS ESPN RK
1 LeBron James, Cle SF 79 42.5 .480 .738 1.6 7.0 6.6 1.6 0.8 3.3 31.4 50.1
2 Kobe Bryant, LAL SG 80 40.9 .450 .850 2.3 5.3 4.5 1.8 0.4 3.1 35.4 49.5
3 Allen Iverson, Phi PG 72 43.1 .447 .814 1.0 3.2 7.4 1.9 0.1 3.4 33.0 47.6
4 Dwyane Wade, Mia G 75 38.6 .495 .783 0.2 5.7 6.7 1.9 0.8 3.6 27.2 44.9
5 Kevin Garnett, Min F 76 38.9 .526 .810 0.1 12.7 4.1 1.4 1.4 2.4 21.8 44.5
6 Elton Brand, LAC PF 79 39.2 .527 .775 0.0 10.0 2.6 1.0 2.5 2.2 24.7 44.3
7 Dirk Nowitzki, Dal PF 81 38.1 .480 .901 1.4 9.0 2.8 0.7 1.0 1.9 26.6 43.3
8 Gilbert Arenas, Was PG 80 42.3 .447 .820 2.5 3.5 6.1 2.0 0.3 3.7 29.3 43.1
9 Shawn Marion, Pho F 81 40.3 .525 .809 1.2 11.8 1.8 2.0 1.7 1.5 21.8 42.6
10 Paul Pierce, Bos GF 79 39.1 .471 .772 1.4 6.7 4.7 1.4 0.4 3.5 26.8 41.4

In terms of Kobe being the most clutch player, that's laughable. I can't find the link right now but just a few months ago they ranked the top players in the NBA in terms of how they performed in the clutch. Kobe finished DEAD LAST among the top players ranked. Carmelo Anthony was number 1.

I would also add that nobody that completely disappears on his teammates in a game 7 can EVER be labelled as 'clutch'. Pussy maybe or punk but not clutch.

 

[wutangnomo]

Again, wrong. In terms of your first point about stats, here are the ratings for this year:

Season Leaders: 2006-2006 - Average per game
PLAYER, TEAM POS GP MIN FG% FT% 3PM REB AST STL BLK TO PTS ESPN RK
1 LeBron James, Cle SF 79 42.5 .480 .738 1.6 7.0 6.6 1.6 0.8 3.3 31.4 50.1
2 Kobe Bryant, LAL SG 80 40.9 .450 .850 2.3 5.3 4.5 1.8 0.4 3.1 35.4 49.5
3 Allen Iverson, Phi PG 72 43.1 .447 .814 1.0 3.2 7.4 1.9 0.1 3.4 33.0 47.6
4 Dwyane Wade, Mia G 75 38.6 .495 .783 0.2 5.7 6.7 1.9 0.8 3.6 27.2 44.9
5 Kevin Garnett, Min F 76 38.9 .526 .810 0.1 12.7 4.1 1.4 1.4 2.4 21.8 44.5
6 Elton Brand, LAC PF 79 39.2 .527 .775 0.0 10.0 2.6 1.0 2.5 2.2 24.7 44.3
7 Dirk Nowitzki, Dal PF 81 38.1 .480 .901 1.4 9.0 2.8 0.7 1.0 1.9 26.6 43.3
8 Gilbert Arenas, Was PG 80 42.3 .447 .820 2.5 3.5 6.1 2.0 0.3 3.7 29.3 43.1
9 Shawn Marion, Pho F 81 40.3 .525 .809 1.2 11.8 1.8 2.0 1.7 1.5 21.8 42.6
10 Paul Pierce, Bos GF 79 39.1 .471 .772 1.4 6.7 4.7 1.4 0.4 3.5 26.8 41.4

In terms of Kobe being the most clutch player, that's laughable. I can't find the link right now but just a few months ago they ranked the top players in the NBA in terms of how they performed in the clutch. Kobe finished DEAD LAST among the top players ranked. Carmelo Anthony was number 1.

I would also add that nobody that completely disappears on his teammates in a game 7 can EVER be labelled as 'clutch'. Pussy maybe or punk but not clutch.

Visit the OFFICIAL site of the NBA (nba.com) and then you'll see the stats for this years regular season. Like I said, Kobe is better at points/game, steals/game, kills in free throw percentage, has less turnovers, and played less minutes overall (despite playing one more game).

I don't give a crap about ratings bro. That's all formulaic junk. You're honestly telling me that Carmelo Anthony is in the same league as Kobe Bryant???????????? That right there is enough to tell me that you don't know basketball.

Kobe scored 80 points in a game!!!! If it came down to last possession he's the guy you would want taking the shot.

 

[pdaddy]

El Kobe es ano arrogante

 

[bluepeter]

Visit the OFFICIAL site of the NBA (nba.com) and then you'll see the stats for this years regular season. Like I said, Kobe is better at points/game, steals/game, kills in free throw percentage, has less turnovers, and played less minutes overall (despite playing one more game).

I don't give a crap about ratings bro. That's all formulaic junk. You're honestly telling me that Carmelo Anthony is in the same league as Kobe Bryant???????????? That right there is enough to tell me that you don't know basketball.

Kobe scored 80 points in a game!!!! If it came down to last possession he's the guy you would want taking the shot.

I didn't say Carmelo Anthony is better than Kobe, that's obviously ridiculous. I said that when they tallied up all the times the top players had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to tie or win, Kobe ranked DEAD LAST. The insinuation that he may be more clutch than anyone ever is almost as asinine as the Michael Jordan comparisons.

 

[Phaded]

wutang learn to read..

 

[wutangnomo]

I didn't say Carmelo Anthony is better than Kobe, that's obviously ridiculous. I said that when they tallied up all the times the top players had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to tie or win, Kobe ranked DEAD LAST. The insinuation that he may be more clutch than anyone ever is almost as asinine as the Michael Jordan comparisons.

Once again, the fact that you're referring to this ranking list which has Carmelo Anthony as being number one over Kobe, Lebron, Shaq, Nowitzki, and all the other better players then him makes it a moot point.

How about a tally of having the ball at the end of the game with a chance to win or tie WHEN IT MATTERED? Lets see that list. There are rankings for everything, so I don't pay them much attention.

If there was a poll asking which player was feared most in terms of dominance in the NBA I bet Kobe would rank first.

 

[bluepeter]

Once again, the fact that you're referring to this ranking list which has Carmelo Anthony as being number one over Kobe, Lebron, Shaq, Nowitzki, and all the other better players then him makes it a moot point.

How about a tally of having the ball at the end of the game with a chance to win or tie WHEN IT MATTERED? Lets see that list. There are rankings for everything, so I don't pay them much attention.

If there was a poll asking which player was feared most in terms of dominance in the NBA I bet Kobe would rank first.

lol, ok. So we should make a different poll because Kobe didn't come out on top of this one? I am not saying Carmelo is even a top 10 player dude. I'm just saying that at the end of games, with a chance to tie or win, his FG percentage was the best. Kobe's was the worst. You are the one who referred to Kobe being 'clutch'. Since being 'clutch' is not the same as being the best, I posted up evidence that he is indeed not 'clutch'. We can discuss if he's the best as well if you like

Also, I believe having the ball at the end of a game with a chance to win or tie would always be considered a situation 'that mattered'.

Anyway, is the guy good? Hell yeah. Top 5 in the NBA, no question. Is he overrated and overhyped? You bet.

 

[wutangnomo]

I'll echo Phaded on this one. I was wrong they wouldn't make the playoffs. That said, MVP? LMAO

I would vote for Wade, Lebron, Nowitzki, Nash etc. long before Mr. Bryant. Jacking up 30 shots a game to get your average and cursing your teammates the rare time you actually give them the ball isn't MVP material. I would also strongly dispute your inference that Mr. Bryant is the only reason they're going to make the playoffs. The strong play of Odom, Parker, Mihm et. al. are the reason they're going to the postseason. They're doing all the little things while Mr. Wonderful goes out trying to win the scoring title.

I didn't even see this funny post.

Wade and Nowitzki over Kobe for MVP???? Are you delusional bro??? Kobe has ZERO supporting cast with maybe the exception of Lamar Odom. Wade and Nowitzki have it made. Kobe made a point by not shooting to show how crappy his team is. He shoots like 30 times a game because of guys like Smush Parker and Chris Mihm lmao.