The greatest fighter of all time!

[palehorse51]

Actually JKD pretty much Reeks the way bruce trained it , in fact NO ONE has EVER won any kind of serious High level Fighting Championship using JKD . Not even like , K1 or anything restricted to standup even .

ANd Crosstraining is pretty much Chinese Tradition . Praying Mantis has Monkey footwork in it . Hun Gar is the combination of Tiger and Crane styles . The guy that invented Baguazhang would ONLY teach masters of other systems so that EVERY one of his students was a unique hybrid unto themselves . Wing Chun is a sytem that is a TOTAL hybrid , and its Bruce Lees ONLY system of serious study , so maybey thats where he ripped the Idea off from .

Point was JKD was the first MMA.

KUNG FU Looks cool in the movies. But it is not effective. Training in multiple Kung Fu "styles" is not cross training.

 

[palehorse51]

Wow, I would think people on a MMA forum would be more educated. An actor is #2 on your all time list?!? If you're going to vote for Bruce Lee, might as well vote for Sly Stallone, Van Damn, and Segal while you're at it. Hell, why not Brad Pitt too?

EXACTLY!!!!

 

[Djimbe]

Point was JKD was the first MMA.

Point was WRONG .

KUNG FU Looks cool in the movies. But it is not effective. Training in multiple Kung Fu "styles" is not cross training.

There is no Martial art called "Kung Fu" . The fact that you dont know that dosent surprise me . And China is a VERY large Country , training in Unrelatedly diverse Chinese systems IS very MUCH "Cross Training" .

 

[palehorse51]

Point was WRONG .



There is no Martial art called "Kung Fu" . The fact that you dont know that dosent surprise me . And China is a VERY large Country , training in Unrelatedly diverse Chinese systems IS very MUCH "Cross Training" .

Yes jkd was the first mma.

No kung fu is not crosstraining.

Kung Fu is for the movies. In america it is called kung fu. im not surprised that a kung fu guy would be upset to learn that training in different kung fu "styles" is not cross training.

there sure are alot of kung fu guys winning fights these days.
A guy crosstrained for a couple years in Kickboxing, BJJ, and wrestling would demolish a kung fu master "crosstrained" in wing chun, mantis, monkey and tiger.

 

[Djimbe]

Yes jkd was the first mma.

No , not by ANY defitnition of he words it isnt . John Bluming was teaching Karate and Judo in the fifties , and Mas Oyama is a student of both schools . Aikijujutsu is a blending of systems (including but not limited to Weaponsplay) that is FAR older than Bruce's birth , let alone his fame .

You see , youre wrong here on SO many levels . Firstly , for someone to "Mix Martial Arts" they have to be TRAINED in more than one style . Bruce Lee NEVER trained in ANYTHING other than Wing Chun under a Legitimate Instructor , and thus has no second style to "Mix" with . READING MANUALS like he did dosent count . You cant learn to Fight from books . You would tell ANY twelve year old that same thing . Secondly , he never even completed his Wing Chun training , so how would he even know what parts of the system NEEDED "editing" or "tweaking" ? Any "Holes" that he THINKS he may have found might EASILY be covered by the parts of the system he didnt know yet .

No its not crosstraining.

So JKD was an MMA but its not Crosstraining ? Well what , may we ask , is your definition of both , please ?

Kung Fu is for the movies.

In america it is called kung fu.

What , exactly , is this style called "Kung Fu" ? Does it come from the North of China or the south ? Is it from Shaolin ? Wudang ? Is it Bhuddist ? Taoist ? Wich Dynasty did it Origionate from ?

im not surprised that a kung fu guy would be upset to learn that training in different kung fu "styles" is not cross training.

Um , Im not Upset at anything , and you have yet to teach me anything . You clearly have no knowledge about what it is youre spouting off about whatsoever . Not only that , but you cant even provide factual basises for your ignorant statements . you just keep repeating yourself .

there sure are alot of kung fu guys winning fights these days.
A guy crosstrained for a couple years in Kickboxing, BJJ, and wrestling would demolish a kung fu master "crosstrained" in wing chun, mantis, monkey and tiger.

Considering that "Monkey and tiger" are both sub parts of FAS and not crosstraining at all ,perhaps . But probably only if you stuck to MMA rules . In a REAL fight the guy with less training gets his ass handed to him .

 

[palehorse51]

No , not by ANY defitnition of he words it isnt . John Bluming was teaching Karate and Judo in the fifties , and Mas Oyama is a student of both schools . Aikijujutsu is a blending of systems (including but not limited to Weaponsplay) that is FAR older than Bruce's birth , let alone his fame . .

blah, blah, blah,John Bluming TAUGHT karate and Judo. Bruce incorporated parts of other systems into a new mixed system. Aikijujutsu is a single system.

You see , youre wrong here on SO many levels . Firstly , for someone to "Mix Martial Arts" they have to be TRAINED in more than one style . Bruce Lee NEVER trained in ANYTHING other than Wing Chun under a Legitimate Instructor , and thus has no second style to "Mix" with . READING MANUALS like he did dosent count . You cant learn to Fight from books . You would tell ANY twelve year old that same thing . Secondly , he never even completed his Wing Chun training , so how would he even know what parts of the system NEEDED "editing" or "tweaking" ? Any "Holes" that he THINKS he may have found might EASILY be covered by the parts of the system he didnt know yet ..

You learn from fighting and SPARRING, Bruce SPARRED with all types of fighters. wrestlers, boxers, karatekas, judo players etc..etc...
He took this knowledge in addition to intense study and developed Jeet Kune Do. you dont have to train with a "legitimate" instructor to gain knowledge in fighting. there are top level MMA artists today that started out training in their garages with dvd's and their buddies. Mac Danzig....look him up.

Common sense can tell you an art is not complete. The first time bruce got taken to the ground by a wrestler he probably knew wing chun sucked ass.

So JKD was an MMA but its not Crosstraining ? Well what , may we ask , is your definition of both , please ? .

put your glasses on.

What , exactly , is this style called "Kung Fu" ? Does it come from the North of China or the south ? Is it from Shaolin ? Wudang ? Is it Bhuddist ? Taoist ? Wich Dynasty did it Origionate from ? .

Dont give a flying fuck. But ill tell you SHAOLIN. they all would lose to a western boxer or wrestler.

See, you are stuck in the past with traditional arts that look pretty but are not effective. All of your obscure kung fu knowledge means nothing.

Um , Im not Upset at anything , and you have yet to teach me anything . You clearly have no knowledge about what it is youre spouting off about whatsoever . Not only that , but you cant even provide factual basises for your ignorant statements . you just keep repeating yourself ..

I couldnt care less if you are upset. you are "unteachable" because you are stuck in the past.

Considering that "Monkey and tiger" are both sub parts of FAS and not crosstraining at all ,perhaps . But probably only if you stuck to MMA rules . In a REAL fight the guy with less training gets his ass handed to him .

I'd take Brazilizn jiu jitsu, boxing,muay thai and wrestling anyday. CHECK THE FACTS. The records speak for themselves.

And as I already stated, Bruce Lee was NOT the greatest fighter ever!!! He was an actor!!! But he was a great martial artist and Jeet Kune Do is his legacy.

 

[tin2]

Yeah I'd take Muay thai and bbj over and kung fu.. It just doesnt work as well..

And Bruce lee was a P.I.M.P. He may not be the greatest figher of all.. But he sure accomplished a lot of things in his short life .. more then we can say

 

[extremefighter]

Anyone who says Bruce Lee has watched too many movies. His style does not work in real life. Have you ever seen out MMA got started, guys like Bruce Lee would get there butts kicked by BJJ guys. Fedor is the best today.

 

[Djimbe]

blah, blah, blah,John Bluming TAUGHT karate and Judo.

That was my point . To TEACH them he had to actually STUDY them for long enough to EARN that Right . And THUS he was Mixing Standup and Groundgame LONG before Bruce "thought of it" . So you have PROOF that the MODERN "MMA Archetype" was being fulfilled LONG before 92 , But , in fact , ppl going outside their schools and mixing systems DID meet the "MMA" standard even if it wasnt to train to modern NHB rulesets . It was the same Spirit in wich it was done , producing the best Fighting system . so Sun Lu Tang was FAR ahead of Bruce Lee , and was a REAL Visionary .

Bruce incorporated parts of other systems into a new mixed system.

Bruce was a Skilless actor that did squat all .

Aikijujutsu is a single system.

Wich was made by blending more than one into one .

You learn from fighting and SPARRING,

No , no you do NOT .

You LEARN by Drilling through Progressive Resistance . If I give you a Basketball and tell you to learn to Shoot , and the ONLY shooting you EVER do is in a Game situation you will NEVER be a 3 Point Shooter . Your body will NEVER have the time to develop the Mechanics needed to hit the shot properly . You learn to shoot FIRST , and THEN you learn to do it under Game Pressure . First you learn the Technique so its like Breathing , and only THEN do you learn to Apply it in ANY given situation .

Bruce SPARRED with all types of fighters. wrestlers, boxers, karatekas, judo players etc..etc...
He took this knowledge in addition to intense study and developed Jeet Kune Do. you dont have to train with a "legitimate" instructor to gain knowledge in fighting. there are top level MMA artists today that started out training in their garages with dvd's and their buddies. Mac Danzig....look him up.

Please provide ANY actual EVIDENCE of this happening . No Videos ? No home movies ? Nothign ? Not just an Anecdote from some guy pretending to have inhereted bruces "Uuber 1337 skillzorxz" , actual evidence , not just your Fantasy of what you THINK Bruce MAY have done .

Common sense can tell you an art is not complete. The first time bruce got taken to the ground by a wrestler he probably knew wing chun sucked ass.

Since he never completed learning WC how could he know anything of the sort ? ALL that he COULD know is that HIS knowledge was lacking .

put your glasses on.

Clean your Lenses .

Dont give a flying fuck.

Reality seems to mean very little to you , yes .

But ill tell you SHAOLIN. they all would lose to a western boxer or wrestler.

See , Anyone calling themselves "SHAOLIN" is a Scam artist , and as such , not a Martial Artist at all . Shaolin was a PLACE , not a Martial Art . Thats like saying "I do TEXAS ! Yould better duck !!!"

ARE there ppl out there waving their arms around like David Carridine acting like that shit is MA ? Unfortunately , yes , there are . Does that make it so ? No , it dosent , it makes them Scam artists that take Advantage of Hollywood stereotyping and Ignorance .

See, you are stuck in the past with traditional arts that look pretty but are not effective. All of your obscure kung fu knowledge means nothing.

No , you are stuck on stupid with no fucking clue as to what it is youre on about . Nothing that I do has ever been called "pretty" thus far .

I couldnt care less if you are upset. you are "unteachable" because you are stuck in the past.

You think you have the ability to upset me ? heh .

And as for being "Stuck In the past" you REALLY have no CLUE as to what it is youre talking about . Baguazhang AND Wing Chun were both invented AFTER Muay Thai and Boxing , wich you both seem to love so much , and the fact is that Im Certified in all of them .

You THINK that because Im busting you for calling ONE thing (that you know nothing at all about) bad that I have no Knowledge of another . Youre DEAD wrong there . I Train Boxers AND MT fighters , as WELL as San Shou/San Da fighters . I( LOVE the sports of Boxing AND Muay Thai ! I just realise that tehy ARE SPORTS and as such DO have Limitations ! YOU need to get off this Idea that everything you THINK is "Newer Is Better" because until Gravity , the Planet were Fighting on , the Laws of Physics , or The Human Body itself changes , the same old shit is going to work , my man .

I'd take Brazilizn jiu jitsu, boxing,muay thai and wrestling anyday. CHECK THE FACTS. The records speak for themselves.

You have no Idea what the Facts even are , appearantly .

And as I already stated, Bruce Lee was NOT the greatest fighter ever!!! He was an actor!!! But he was a great martial artist and Jeet Kune Do is his legacy.

No , he wasnt a "great" anything other than perhaps a PR man . Oyama was Great , Ueshiba was great , Kimura was great , Musashi was great , Wang Shu Jiin was Great . Guys who hung it out there for EVERYONE to see , and put it to the test . Bruce got in ONE fight as an Adult and JKD is the worst legacy you could hope for . its MADE UP of sports styles and no one has ever even won a signifigant Sportfighting Title using it . Ever .

 

[Saintinistic]

Bruce Lee had good concepts. I dont really care if he wasnt the first to have the themes he suggests, because they are a common sense. there are also few original ideas anyhow, so whether he ripped them off or corrupted other versions, the result is the same.

I dont think he was a great fighter, but certainly had great ideas, be they his or not, someone had to say them.

arguing over it is pointless, and like debating religion. we all see what we want to see.

we can suck grandmaster cock all we like, and debate the TRUE creators but unless we actually try life ourselves, it doesnt matter who made who. we all mongrel our styles, mix n match, bend the rules, and talk through our arses, but as long as we arent as full in life as we are on line, then all is good.