The greatest fighter of all time!

[Djimbe]

Bruce Lee had good concepts. I dont really care if he wasnt the first to have the themes he suggests, because they are a common sense. there are also few original ideas anyhow, so whether he ripped them off or corrupted other versions, the result is the same.

I dont think he was a great fighter, but certainly had great ideas, be they his or not, someone had to say them.

arguing over it is pointless, and like debating religion. we all see what we want to see.

we can suck grandmaster cock all we like, and debate the TRUE creators but unless we actually try life ourselves, it doesnt matter who made who. we all mongrel our styles, mix n match, bend the rules, and talk through our arses, but as long as we arent as full in life as we are on line, then all is good.

All of the above I really have no Argument with , but does that mean that if I agree with the Concepts above and espouse them loudly enough that I should also get on the "Greatest Fighter Of All Time" list ?

Are you KIDDING me ? In anything else we look at greatness by ACHIEVEMENT , not HYPE . In the case of Lee , hes 0% of the former and 100% of the latter .

 

[Saintinistic]

No (to the first paragraph), that would be too presumptuous and show the goal was not personal/social/cultural growth but fame. he was guilty, sure. but marketing sure does boost a persons standing in social views. he took advantage of teh white suckers, and the rest is history. the American marketing sure did push the guy forward. and he feel for their star struck awe. like ultimate power corrupting, and all that jazz.

he found his purpose, for better or worse. and regardless of his originality, changed the way people think about things martial. did it for me, but im still not interested in JKD, or wing chung. to each their own, at the end of it all.

I dont believe he is worthy of greatest fighter, but of concepts that are common sense. we should all have similar ideals about training.

but the squeaky wheel gets the most grease. this time it was fame.
a shitty product and a great product all sell if the marketing is grand.

but too much time spent chasing wastes of time.

 

[redsamurai]

this is still going??........FFFAAAAAYYYYYYDOOOOORRR.



of all the "known" fighters in any discipline......this man would rock that ass!! Most complete "competing" MMA fighter ever.......and by competing I mean someone who's out there and known. The "actual" best fighter ever will never accurately be known......ever.......so useless discussion.

 

[mekannik]

Mark Kerr (pre drug treatment, early in his career).

 

[redsamurai]

Mark Kerr (pre drug treatment, early in his career).

over fedor??......

 

[mekannik]

over fedor??......

A young fresh Kerr was a joy to watch. Physique, unbelievable. Takedowns, unequaled. Ground & pound, brutal.

Rule changes nullified his style of fighting (per Bas Ruttan) <= another possibility.

 

[redsamurai]

A young fresh Kerr was a joy to watch. Physique, unbelievable. Takedowns, unequaled. Ground & pound, brutal.

Rule changes nullified his style of fighting (per Bas Ruttan) <= another possibility.

I have no doubt he'd be able to take fedor down.......but Fedor is even better on his back then he is on top. The man is sick.......he's every bit as good as Kerr in Kerr's own strengths.......couple that with his standup and Kerr is fucked!! I honestly think if Kerr even got to take Fedor down he'd be in some sick lock or choke within a minute. When Kerr was fighting most guys just succumbed to the ground and pound........now guys are figthing out of it better to the point where there's some fighters that actually prefer to be on their backs and out of someone's guard. Fedor can be outwrestled for sure.....he has been on numerous occassions. But beaten is a different story.

 

[mekannik]

I have no doubt he'd be able to take fedor down.......but Fedor is even better on his back then he is on top. The man is sick.......he's every bit as good as Kerr in Kerr's own strengths.......couple that with his standup and Kerr is fucked!! I honestly think if Kerr even got to take Fedor down he'd be in some sick lock or choke within a minute. When Kerr was fighting most guys just succumbed to the ground and pound........now guys are figthing out of it better to the point where there's some fighters that actually prefer to be on their backs and out of someone's guard. Fedor can be outwrestled for sure.....he has been on numerous occassions. But beaten is a different story.

Which ties into my prior statement - the 'ground and pound' game has changed significantly. Remember the original UFC? Groin shots (cheap in my opinion, unnecessary, unsportsmanlike) and elbows & knees to the face (Kerr's version) have been ruled out.

I have never seen Fedor fight, so I can not comment on him. My opinion is on the younger incarnation of Kerr and what is his A-game WAS.

 

[Djimbe]

dude , look into Fedor on Youtube , even look into his old Sambo championchip matches - his "wrestling' (moreover his takedown game) is on par with ANYONES .

 

[redsamurai]

dude , look into Fedor on Youtube , even look into his old Sambo championchip matches - his "wrestling' (moreover his takedown game) is on par with ANYONES .

which is why he's the best......but he has been outwrestled initially by a "few" guys. I was actually shocked to see how bad Hunt handled him in this respect.......he had to resort to a key lock to beat Hunt. But Randleman and Coleman can outwrestle Fedor......they just can't "beat" him once they have him on the ground.