the A.C.L.U.---protecting our CONSTITUTIONAL values

[gwl9dta4]

what if there was a town with a 90% muslim population, and they wanted to place signs up stating 'everyone in this town loves our god'......do you REALLY think they would be allowed this?

Maybe i am too accepting, but if that was the case i would not mind. Whatever. I respect everyones beliefs, and so they sould be able to express them. Maybe i am naive, but that's me.

Incidentally i did not take into consideration that they were referring ONLY to goernment property. That does make a big difference. BUt what if they posted the 10 commandments?
Afterall, logic would dictate that those are universal laws for living in peace and wellness, but because they are of Christian origin, would it be illegal too?

 

[danielson]

Maybe i am too accepting, but if that was the case i would not mind. Whatever. I respect everyones beliefs, and so they sould be able to express them. Maybe i am naive, but that's me.

Incidentally i did not take into consideration that they were referring ONLY to goernment property. That does make a big difference. BUt what if they posted the 10 commandments?
Afterall, logic would dictate that those are universal laws for living in peace and wellness, but because they are of Christian origin, would it be illegal too?

maybe

but legally we are not enforced to live by the 10 commandments, only morally. we are alllowed to covet thy neighbours wife for instance, even if it is a terrble thing to do....plus i think i would be a little freaked out in a town where the law was printed on a huge sign on the side of every public building

were they wanting to display these signs on private property, provided they conformed to building regulation etc i doubt many would mind. i see a jesus saves sign a church i often drive past, i have absolutely no problem with this. however while i may not mind im guessing others might. its nice to know that there are many out there who share your beliefs about respecting other peoples rights, but there are many who dont. if the shoe was on the other foot i suspect many would object to those signs about a muslims god being up

i just saw a jackass clip where a guy dressed up like satan (i.e. a comical red spandex suit with tail and horns and a plastic trident) and said that the bible was lying about him and he was really a nice guy and held up a sign saying so. most luaghed, some frowned and one guy ran up to him, broke his sign, swore many times and punched him. people get offended by seemingly tame things

which is why i think the government of that town shouldnt have allowed those signs. i always thought christianity didnt like making a grand show of things.....something i learnt when i was in high school so my memory might be bit funny but roman catholic churches were always shiny and showy and lots of gold and paintings etc about whereas christian churches were much more down to earth and subdued in nature

 

[gwl9dta4]

i just saw a jackass clip where a guy dressed up like satan (i.e. a comical red spandex suit with tail and horns and a plastic trident) and said that the bible was lying about him and he was really a nice guy and held up a sign saying so. most luaghed, some frowned and one guy ran up to him, broke his sign, swore many times and punched him. people get offended by seemingly tame things

which is why i think the government of that town shouldnt have allowed those signs. i always thought christianity didnt like making a grand show of things.....something i learnt when i was in high school so my memory might be bit funny but roman catholic churches were always shiny and showy and lots of gold and paintings etc about whereas christian churches were much more down to earth and subdued in nature

I see and share your point. People are wierd sometimes.

BTW that was a GREAT episode of jackass. Even better one was when that one dude went to audio stores and started dancing in a thong for the salesman. But that is another thread.

 

[danielson]

I see and share your point. People are wierd sometimes.

BTW that was a GREAT episode of jackass. Even better one was when that one dude went to audio stores and started dancing in a thong for the salesman. But that is another thread.

yeah....that show cracks me up

johnny knoxville is one crazy SOB....its probably good for him that show got axed

 

[VicTusDeuS]

RyanH would much rather have them erect a sign that said, Allah is Lord,Kill the Infidels.

 

[JohnyJuice]

....where necessary to protect the welfare of our society.

This bill is just another example of a necessary restriction on first amendment rights in furtherance of the public good.

Hmmm. was that communist propoganda i heard dripping from your boner oven?

 

[Warik]

the article is very clear----signs were placed on public property...the ACLU could care less or myself, for that matter, as to what one does on his/her own private property.

Of course, citizens have also placed signs on their private property as well, but that's not what the ACLU challenged.

My mistake. Bullshit law, but it's the law. Kind of pathetic that people would whine about it, though, no?

Gheez, Warik, brush up on those reading comprehension skills, will ya?

MCIYM :Q

-Warik

 

[big4rt]

Ryan,
As you may well know I am in agreement with you. I only wish I could have joined this conversation earlier. However, as I look upon this one dollar bill I see "In God We Trust" printed on the back. I know this has been challenged or at least questioned before. This is a one dollar bill printed by the only legal source of currency in these United States--the federal government.
Let's examine this a little more closely, and I will give you your chance to attack these statements. (I am playing devil's advocate.) As you have already stated public property may not be used to endorse a religion thereby lending to the notion that the government is endorsing religion. AM I DOING OK SO FAR??
Now, as I stare at this dollar bill I am reminded that it is mine. I earned it. It's in my pockt. It is my personal and private property. AM I STILL DOING OK??? So, if I want "In God We Trust" on my dollar, then it's "cool", right?
Remember, I am not authorized to print money. The federal government may only produce legal tender.
So, whose money is it? Is it private or public? Was it the government's (public) to begin with? If so, then why are they printing "In God We Trust" on this "public property"?
I hope I made this as clear as possible. I am very curious as to what the ACLU would say about our cold hard cash!!! Ok, maybe you can't speak for the ACLU, but could comment in your individual capacity? Thanks, man.

 

[gwl9dta4]

Ryan,
As you may well know I am in agreement with you. I only wish I could have joined this conversation earlier. However, as I look upon this one dollar bill I see "In God We Trust" printed on the back. I know this has been challenged or at least questioned before. This is a one dollar bill printed by the only legal source of currency in these United States--the federal government.
Let's examine this a little more closely, and I will give you your chance to attack these statements. (I am playing devil's advocate.) As you have already stated public property may not be used to endorse a religion thereby lending to the notion that the government is endorsing religion. AM I DOING OK SO FAR??
Now, as I stare at this dollar bill I am reminded that it is mine. I earned it. It's in my pockt. It is my personal and private property. AM I STILL DOING OK??? So, if I want "In God We Trust" on my dollar, then it's "cool", right?
Remember, I am not authorized to print money. The federal government may only produce legal tender.
So, whose money is it? Is it private or public? Was it the government's (public) to begin with? If so, then why are they printing "In God We Trust" on this "public property"?
I hope I made this as clear as possible. I am very curious as to what the ACLU would say about our cold hard cash!!! Ok, maybe you can't speak for the ACLU, but could comment in your individual capacity? Thanks, man.

A very good point indeed. One that i am curious on how it will be solved. But i know for a fact that money is the property of the US government, and thus defacing or destroying it is illegal and punishable. Believe it or not but those penny machines at the boardwalk that sqush a penny into a madallion for 25 cents are technically illegal. All used up currency MUST be returned to the goverment for destruction.

So you bring an interesting point indeed. Let's hear some comments.

 

[Golfer18--old]

I love reading Wariks responses to RyanH