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the A.C.L.U.---protecting our CONSTITUTIONAL values

Your petty little ACLU would get squashed like a bug if it was not able to hide behind the behemoth gigantine strenght of the NRA to protect our constitutional rights.

Oddly... the porno industry also is afforded huge protection due to the NRA.

I cringe when I hear about "rights" because of all the officers who make up situational rules as they see fit. Bunch of idiots, most of them.
 
danielson said:


is it not an assault on one's religious beliefs to allow a sign that does not agree with his religious beliefs to be placed on all public property within that town? creating the impression that all the public within that town agree with that belief? should someone who potentially find that sign offensive be forced to live within eyesight of it?


Well, if you live in a democracy then you must be aware of the concept of majority rules. What will happed if Muslims start to do their daily prayer on a public piece of property with their carpet. Will the governmant step in and make it illegal for them to pray in certain places? What if 90% of that town IS Muslim? Then the remaining 10% will get their way cause they deem their habits offensive? Well, that more like minority rule, where the needs of the few, outweigh the needs of the many.
 
gwl9dta4 said:



Well, if you live in a democracy then you must be aware of the concept of majority rules. What will happed if Muslims start to do their daily prayer on a public piece of property with their carpet. Will the governmant step in and make it illegal for them to pray in certain places? What if 90% of that town IS Muslim? Then the remaining 10% will get their way cause they deem their habits offensive? Well, that more like minority rule, where the needs of the few, outweigh the needs of the many.

to the contrary. Our entire political system is designed around protecting the rights of minorities in the face of unfair oppression by the majority.
 
Warik--you are missing a critical distinction:

endorsement of religion is acceptable on private property, but not on government property---that's the law. very simple.
 
RyanH said:


to the contrary. Our entire political system is designed around protecting the rights of minorities in the face of unfair oppression by the majority.


LIKE I SAID.

"Well, that more like minority rule, where the needs of the few, outweigh the needs of the many."
 
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RyanH said:


then please, scroll on by my threads. I would actually prefer that you do that.

LOL - Don't flatter yourself. It's not your drivel that people click-on the thread to read, it's to read the responses from other's that are pissin' all over your "liberal subject du jour."

Unfortunately, I'm with the ACLU on this one. I would not want those signs all over my town either. But, common sense should dictate their placement/removal, not some horseshit legal team from the ACLU.

Later,
 
RyanH said:
Warik--you are missing a critical distinction:

endorsement of religion is acceptable on private property, but not on government property---that's the law. very simple.

Wait a sec - government property? Be more specific, because the article was not. I was under the impression that all of this whining was about store owners and such putting these things in their stores, etc.

What's the real story?

-Warik
 
Warik said:


Wait a sec - government property? Be more specific, because the article was not. I was under the impression that all of this whining was about store owners and such putting these things in their stores, etc.

What's the real story?

-Warik

the article is very clear----signs were placed on public property...the ACLU could care less or myself, for that matter, as to what one does on his/her own private property.

Of course, citizens have also placed signs on their private property as well, but that's not what the ACLU challenged.

Gheez, Warik, brush up on those reading comprehension skills, will ya?:D
 
Warik said:


I see all sorts of Jewish paraphernalia all over the place around Hanukkah and I don't throw a hissy fit. Why? Two reasons.

1) I respect other's rights to place these items where they please. A business owner has the right to put whatever he wants in his store. If someone doesn't like it, that someone shouldn't shop there. Plain and simple.

2) I'm an adult. If it doesn't infringe on my rights or anyone else's rights, I don't care about it. If someone believes that the harmless displays of praise to Jesus is an infringement of their rights, then that person, quite frankly, is not an adult.

The fact of the matter is that no law was broken, yet legal action was taken. That, my friends, is wrong.

-Warik

this wasnt a store owner saying 'god is great' on his store, this was over 4000 signs or something being placed on every public building within that town :)

were it a single store owner im guessing most wouldnt mind as one store owner placing signs on private property is expressing his belief. public property owned by the government insinuates everyone in that town holds that belief.

hanukkah signs dont state everyone in the town is grateful to the 'god' jews worship (note 'god' in comma's as different religions views and perceptions of god are different, no disrespect intended)
 
gwl9dta4 said:

Well, if you live in a democracy then you must be aware of the concept of majority rules. What will happed if Muslims start to do their daily prayer on a public piece of property with their carpet. Will the governmant step in and make it illegal for them to pray in certain places? What if 90% of that town IS Muslim? Then the remaining 10% will get their way cause they deem their habits offensive? Well, that more like minority rule, where the needs of the few, outweigh the needs of the many.

since when do the needs of the many include placing signs on public property stating the towns universal love of jesus. its not necessarily a bad thing for a christian but is it necessary?

neo-natal care is only needed by a minority of babies.....should we close those wards down? forcing seeds which create sterile plants upon american farmers benefits a minority, in this case executives of a biotech firm. yet this was allowed....the democracy we live in sometimes supports whoever has the most $$ whether they are minority or majority

what if there was a town with a 90% muslim population, and they wanted to place signs up stating 'everyone in this town loves our god'......do you REALLY think they would be allowed this?
 
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