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Pay down the debt? We'll just pray down the debt:

1st Don't blame Obama on Christians. Most Christians wouldn't vote Democrate to save your life bro.

2nd Pro Choice, no shit we wouldn't vote him in. We are not ok with abortion and most Christians believe in saving life not stopping it.

The "Saddleback Forum" convinced many evangelicals Obama was a good Christian....I discussed it on this board.

Obama Made Gains Among Younger Evangelical Voters, Data Show - NYTimes.com

President-elect Barack Obama succeeded in chiseling off small but significant chunks of white evangelical voters who have been the foundation of the Republican Party for decades, a close look at voting patterns reveals.

Shifts Among the Religions

The change reflects a broader shift among religious voters in every category. Mr. Obama made gains among Catholics, Jews and mainline Protestants, compared with the Democratic presidential nominee in 2004, Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts.

But the big question was whether Mr. Obama could appeal to evangelicals — born-again Christians, who make up about a quarter of the electorate and have been largely Republican stalwarts.

Early in the campaign, he mobilized a team led by the Rev. Joshua DuBois, a Pentecostal pastor, who focused on reaching out to politically moderate evangelicals, Catholics and mainline Protestants.

“The Obama campaign really made a decision to target their efforts to moderates,” said Mara Vanderslice, founder and director of the Matthew 25 Network, a political action group that ran advertisements on Christian radio for Mr. Obama. “Their plan was never to go after people who’d been voting Republican for 20 years.”

“There never was an aggressive outreach effort to white Southern Baptist evangelicals in the South; that wasn’t the focus,” added Ms. Vanderslice, an evangelical Christian who was Mr. Kerry’s director of religious outreach.

Campaign workers contacted individual ministers, even those they knew would not necessarily vote for Mr. Obama, and mailed copies of his speeches on faith and politics to thousands of them.

For some, the campaign arranged meetings or phone calls with Mr. Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois. The goal, organizers said, was to humanize him as a person of genuine faith, so that even those pastors who opposed him would be hesitant to attack him publicly.

The campaign also visited about 10 Christian colleges in swing states, often staging events with Donald Miller, a bestselling author popular with younger evangelicals and an Obama supporter. And campaign workers organized more than 900 “American values house parties,” in which Obama supporters invited members of their church to talk politics.

The payoff was both generational and geographic. Mr. Obama doubled his support among young white evangelicals (those ages 18 to 29) compared with Mr. Kerry. The increase was almost the same for white evangelicals ages 30 to 44.

“There is definitely a generational division,” said David P. Gushee, professor of Christian ethics at Mercer University and author of “The Future of Faith in American Politics: The Public Witness of the Evangelical Center.”

“Young evangelicals,” Dr. Gushee said, are “attracted to a broader agenda” beyond abortion and homosexuality, that includes the environment, poverty, human rights and torture.

Nationwide, most white evangelicals remained in the Republican camp despite misgivings they voiced about the depth of Senator John McCain’s commitment to a conservative social agenda. Mr. McCain, of Arizona, held 74 percent of the white evangelical vote, compared with 24 percent for Mr. Obama — a gain of only three percentage points over Mr. Kerry.

But in most of the swing states where Mr. Obama’s campaign concentrated, like Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Virginia, his gains over Mr. Kerry in 2004 among white evangelicals were larger.

Mr. Obama improved his standing by 10 points among white evangelicals in Colorado. The state is home to what many consider to be the capitol of evangelical America, Colorado Springs, where dozens of conservative megaministries like Focus on the Family have their headquarters and employ tens of thousands of people.

He also did well with Catholics, who make up about a quarter of the American electorate, winning 54 percent of that vote compared with 45 percent for Mr. McCain. Most of the Catholic boost for Mr. Obama came from Hispanic Catholics, who are now 6 percent of the electorate.

Mr. Obama, a member of the United Church of Christ, a Protestant denomination, managed to increase his share of the Catholic vote by seven percentage points over Mr. Kerry, who is a Catholic.
 
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ALso, what is so bad with good morals

Don't kill, steal, lie, etc

Sounds like a dude with good character

You forgot....

Thou shalt have no god but for me because Yahweh is a jealous god, which is why you can have no graven images. (that's #1 which implies its the most important followed by #2)

#3 Thou shalt not take your lords name in vain....

#4 Thou shalt keep the sabbath sacred...death was the punishment for working on the sabbath...

Thou shalt not murder is the sixth most important commandment.

Sounds more like Yahweh is either Kim Jong-Il or running a marketing firm to self promote over real moral values...those last commandments are held in equal esteem by EVERY culture....polytheistic, monotheistic or other...

I missed the commandment where slavery was condemned? I know in Judges Yahweh condemned the geigh, which is between 1%-2% of the human population, but he missed the slavery condemnation as immoral even though the Israelite s supposedly were just freed from that evil by Moses?
 
great points java, lol

carry on loving Jesus everyone

oh, and, i am friends with lots of evangelicals whom I love and they live great lives. Nobody i know of voted for Obama. Actually right now, it is hard to find anybody that voted for him, lol
 
great points java, lol

carry on loving Jesus everyone

oh, and, i am friends with lots of evangelicals whom I love and they live great lives. Nobody i know of voted for Obama. Actually right now, it is hard to find anybody that voted for him, lol

Don't encourage him. lol
 
Christians who think that the country needs to turn back to Jesus or whatever are just saying pretty things they heard from their parents...that is NOT how it is written will happen. There is no going back to whatever back to was...

Christians need to be tolerant. The opposite of tolerance is to be bigoted and it is morally wrong to be bigoted. That goes for both Christians and others, to not be tolerant is MORALLY WRONG (that means you java )Of course to refuse to make a judgement about an immoral action is to be a coward but a truly tolerant person does not stop from making moral judgments but does not wish to use power to force others to change their beliefs or actions. It is not our job to force morality on people. That includes abortion.
 
Cindy you should find comfort in the fact Java is gonna burn in hell for all eternity, I know I do, and I like Java.
 
You forgot....

Thou shalt have no god but for me because Yahweh is a jealous god, which is why you can have no graven images. (that's #1 which implies its the most important followed by #2)

#3 Thou shalt not take your lords name in vain....

#4 Thou shalt keep the sabbath sacred...death was the punishment for working on the sabbath...

Thou shalt not murder is the sixth most important commandment.

Sounds more like Yahweh is either Kim Jong-Il or running a marketing firm to self promote over real moral values...those last commandments are held in equal esteem by EVERY culture....polytheistic, monotheistic or other...

I missed the commandment where slavery was condemned? I know in Judges Yahweh condemned the geigh, which is between 1%-2% of the human population, but he missed the slavery condemnation as immoral even though the Israelite s supposedly were just freed from that evil by Moses?

Anyone who claims they get their morality from the 10 commandments or the bible has not thought it through. We don't need the bible to be moral and although the bible contains moral precepts we don't base our morality from the bible...and the bible agrees with me. Do I need to post examples?

You have not adequately thought through why you judge Yahweh with moral standards that shoudn't exist to you (I actually think you think that everyone in the world except for yourself should live by YOUR standards of morality...even God if He exists) that says so much about you. :) So, the rest of your anti Yahweh spiel must be meant for the choir because it's not that good at all.
 
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