Stop Recommending Testosterone To Newbies!

[Pat_McCrotch]

One of the safest cycles for beginners is a simple 250-500mg test/week cycle. You can easily control the sides with an AI, and it will make you feel great (Also give you fairly decent KEEPABLE gains). A test only cycle is also quite cheap. Even when adding an AI you really get good bang for your buck. Not so with Primo. You need about 400mg/week of Primo for any real noticeable gains, and that will most definatley hurt your wallet. (Primo amps will run you $15-20/amp, and thats assuming they are not fakes. Primo as has been explained to you is one of the most faked AAS out there)

It's irrational to suggest that Primo is better than test for a beginner due to the aforementioned points.

You dont need an AI or an anti E with primo. Nelson big thing is why take something to counter the effect of something else. His ideas from what I remember are less is best.

The more compunds you put in your body the possibility of more sides and with more sides come more meds.

Yes Primo is costly but from what I have read you dont need to do 1000mg/wk to make nice gains. 300-400/wk would suffice.

There are less sides with primo which is great for a Noob. I believe this was his point.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Thats how logic works, Nelson. If you make a claim you have to support and provide enough evidence to make your case. Its not other people's job to disprove something you said.

You have still failed to make a good case.

I am unsure what post you have been reading but he has made it clear why he made the statement he made. Go back and read a few pages back. He is making this claim based off what is known about roids. When you introduce test it shuts down the HPTA. If shut down long enough it may not recover to what it was before.

The sides can be bad and you have to take other things to prevent/decrease the chance of sides. Primo is a much milder compund.

The gola of this site is to educate peole and protect noobs and other members on this board with solid and safe advice such as what Nelson posted. His title may have been a bit on the abrupt side but this is how he gets peeps in here to read what he says.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

trying to make up for your lack of one thing or another with crazy amounts of steroids is the dumbest shit thing you can do.

I have shitty genetics, started weight lifting at 6'2" and 160 lbs. after retiring from minor league ball (injury).


I was a fucking stick in every sense of the word. 2 1/2 years later I am 218 pounds and I have never used more than 500mg test and 30mg dbol kicker (which was only once, may I add) My other cycle was 250mg test every 5 day, and 20mg dbol kicker, which was after losing all my gains after being sick for 3 months, I dropped from a little over 200 to 170.


For someone who is genetically skinny as shit and all their family on both sides are tall lanky guys, anyone who uses that excuse looks pathetic to me.

Wanna know what the problem is? They don't eat enough. A simple, but major part of the equation.

Maybe I am misunderstanding what your saying but 6'2 and 200lbs is close to being tall and lanky. LOL

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

there you are, sugartits. been a while. how ya been?

My baby is keeping me busy and trying to close on our house is doing the same. Been working 4-5 12 hours shifts a week at work too. Its a wonder I still ge to workout. lol

 

[J. Adams]

I always find it funny when I see people use 1.5-2 grs of test and they are the size of my left thigh...maybe that's why

500mgs of test e is enuogh for some pretty good damn growth. 750mgs if you're a beast on your 5th cycle. Anything over a gram and you're just getting rediculous, unless you're competing.

There's also the difference between UG test and HG test.

Human grade test bets out any UG test. Basically, HG test at 500mgs/week sometimes feels like 1g/week UG.

 

[dabuffguy]

Maybe I am misunderstanding what your saying but 6'2 and 200lbs is close to being tall and lanky. LOL

pretty much

I'm 218 right now, but I was 200 a little over a year ago, which was up from 160 the year before that. then dropping to 170 after getting sick. Giving my starting point, it was very good progress until I ate the shit with fucking pneuomonia.

Good thing is I never get too high in BF. I was up to 16% about 8 months ago at 220ish, but I was eating way too many carbs, like 700 grams daily. Now I am 218ish 11-12%. I got back down to 12%, but weight was down to 209.

Admittedly, I started my first aas cycle too early. Had I known what I do now, I would have waited another year atleast. it was a bad mistake and lack of judgement on my part. live and learn.


gonna go with anadrol 50mg and test E 250/E5D in a couple weeks. I'll be close to 240 on cycle, and when the water drops, I'd be happy to be close to 225-227 at 10-12% BF. That isn't lanky at all

 

[the_alcatraz]

Bro primo gains tend to be kept more often that Test gains. His original point was that Primo is better d/t less sides and better Post Cycle gains. Even with teh best PCT on board with test or d ball or most others you will still lose some of your gains, for the most part. There is always the excption. BTW your back is jacked.

Hey bro, welcome back

Hope you're kid's doin well

Primo may generate "cleaner" gains and you may be able to keep more after PCT, but the gains to begin with are not as prominent as test, and again all the convenience and price points that I have

 

[mwm5]

reading comprehension > a lot of people.

 

[HAYEZ]

trying to make up for your lack of one thing or another with crazy amounts of steroids is the dumbest shit thing you can do.

I have shitty genetics, started weight lifting at 6'2" and 160 lbs. after retiring from minor league ball (injury).


I was a fucking stick in every sense of the word. 2 1/2 years later I am 218 pounds and I have never used more than 500mg test and 30mg dbol kicker (which was only once, may I add) My other cycle was 250mg test every 5 day, and 20mg dbol kicker, which was after losing all my gains after being sick for 3 months, I dropped from a little over 200 to 170.


For someone who is genetically skinny as shit and all their family on both sides are tall lanky guys, anyone who uses that excuse looks pathetic to me.

Wanna know what the problem is? They don't eat enough. A simple, but major part of the equation.

thats just great, good for you

 

[LiquidPhire]

Test as a first cycle is what I did and I do not agree with it being a problem for a first cycle. Suppression happens yes- but with proper PCT a healthy body should come back to normal functioning. Nelson always causin' shit