Stop Recommending Testosterone To Newbies!

[rediculus]

Ok this is from just ignorance so perhaps someone can clarify.

HUGE gains in muscle from test on your first cycle...Whatever who gives a @#$% if it shuts down your testosterone. if your a long hauler AAS your not concerned with that..You can pop test any time you want if your body doesn't make it.

however Huge gains in muscle.
Means huge gains in strength?

Means HUGE stresses on your body tendons and joints...Anyone ever seen a torn bicep? If I am correct Test does not force the tendons to grow as well?

My first cycle will be a woosie cycle I know but It'll be legal (monster/Derma and perhaps a 3rd but not likely)so based on the title my reason for my "first cycle" being a pussy cycle is A. My body isn't ready for massive leaps in strength. My joints are not built up for the weight yet. Imagine tearing a muscle doing 400lbs on squats..Tearing a pec..Doesn't happen alot but to me that's the biggest disadvantage the "title" of the thread compeletely off subject and yes I know probably ignorant.

Lastly I am adding. Just getting used to a schedule. Pill at this time understand the change in personality...Not that anyone has lost control and gone into roid rage because they couldn't handle their shit. Like motorcycles you don't generally recommend someone start in the Gixxer or ninja 1k because they'll probably @#$# up and kill themselves.

Otherwise for maximum gains they should go with 1g of test a week right? That would be a big growth cycle?

 

[misticat]

test is always a good first cycle! where are you coming up with this crap nelson?

 

[dabuffguy]

Ok this is from just ignorance so perhaps someone can clarify.

HUGE gains in muscle from test on your first cycle...Whatever who gives a @#$% if it shuts down your testosterone. if your a long hauler AAS your not concerned with that..You can pop test any time you want if your body doesn't make it.

however Huge gains in muscle.
Means huge gains in strength?

Means HUGE stresses on your body tendons and joints...Anyone ever seen a torn bicep? If I am correct Test does not force the tendons to grow as well?

My first cycle will be a woosie cycle I know but It'll be legal (monster/Derma and perhaps a 3rd but not likely)so based on the title my reason for my "first cycle" being a pussy cycle is A. My body isn't ready for massive leaps in strength. My joints are not built up for the weight yet. Imagine tearing a muscle doing 400lbs on squats..Tearing a pec..Doesn't happen alot but to me that's the biggest disadvantage the "title" of the thread compeletely off subject and yes I know probably ignorant.

Lastly I am adding. Just getting used to a schedule. Pill at this time understand the change in personality...Not that anyone has lost control and gone into roid rage because they couldn't handle their shit. Like motorcycles you don't generally recommend someone start in the Gixxer or ninja 1k because they'll probably @#$# up and kill themselves.

Otherwise for maximum gains they should go with 1g of test a week right? That would be a big growth cycle?

So, you choose an oral that gives drastic increases in strength dries your joints out, over using test? And your reasoning is tendon and joint protection?

I think you will find that monsterdrol will kick your ass in the strength department. Especially for a first. Monsterdrol is NOT a wussy cycle at all.

And, no, maximum gains can be achieved with 250-500mg test per week. 1g test is way overkill for a first, and even a 10th cycle.

 

[LiquidPhire]

Nelson is either bored, taken too much UNLEASHED,

or is just in the mood to start a food fight.

Why he decides to pull this stuff out of thin air baffles me.

...Back to football.

lol =)

 

[rediculus]

see learning all the time..However my question then becomes with the greater gains in strength would the more rapid increase in strength of test increase someones risk for torn ligaments tendons and muscles? I see where he is coming from as alot of young men 23 or 24 (yes that's young and relatively naive at that age)will take someones word as law and not wanting to be "woosie" or too scared to start on "test" the "real stuff" load up and dose the same as a 3rd or 4th cycle pro.

Personally...I don't know how "clockwork" I am at taking pills and I want to stay away from pharmaceutical PCT...From what I have been reading this is an option with the OTC anabolic enhancers. I did hear needto mention it dried him out a little but I didn't know monsterdrol was so infamous for joint pain? Also keep in mind I am not already taking it because I am prepping my joints and in cycle therapy for it. (joint supplements very very heavy weight then on cycle jumping to 10 or 12 rep sets for the first few weeks of growth) I know I will expect some improvements in strength with monster but compared to a test cycle is what I mean as far as "pussy cycle"

I just think his intention is if someones going to take your word as doctorine do you want their health to be risked or take it safe? Starting slow(er) is never a bad idea..same theory you don't tell an 18 year old to load up on test. Start out big where do you go from there? really though I am curious if anyone has experience with Monsterdrol

 

[the_alcatraz]

So, you choose an oral that gives drastic increases in strength dries your joints out, over using test? And your reasoning is tendon and joint protection?

I think you will find that monsterdrol will kick your ass in the strength department. Especially for a first. Monsterdrol is NOT a wussy cycle at all.

And, no, maximum gains can be achieved with 250-500mg test per week. 1g test is way overkill for a first, and even a 10th cycle.

I always find it funny when I see people use 1.5-2 grs of test and they are the size of my left thigh...maybe that's why

500mgs of test e is enuogh for some pretty good damn growth. 750mgs if you're a beast on your 5th cycle. Anything over a gram and you're just getting rediculous, unless you're competing.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Hmm, still not hearing many viable arguments to the contrary other than that's what people want to do. And that's fine. Maybe I should have phrased it in the form of a question. WHY is testosterone a good first cycle? I think I'll get the same answers. It seems to be more of a convenience/cost thing.

I get clients all the time who started with test, look like nothing and aren;t getting any "kick" from a gram a week after a while. They want to know what else they can do beyond their current growth . If they learned how to cycle correctly, maybe they wouldn't be having these problems.

Damn, I'm no mass monster and I placed in the NPC without ever using test. I don;t understand why people are so adamant that they can;t grow without it.

And for the record, I love test. It's one of my best friends! But I think people have gotten off my original point.

Yes, tren is more powerful androgen mg per mg but it isn't a commonly recommended first cycle drug.

 

[dabuffguy]

I don;t understand why people are so adamant that they can;t grow without it.

I don't know anyone who thinks that, or has said that here.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I don't know anyone who thinks that, or has said that here.

+1

But just to make things clear, this thread is in no way an attack against Nelson nor should it be perceived in such a way.

 

[dabuffguy]

Nelson is always good to bring a legit and viable conversation to the board, even if it is controversial. I like that. Thinking out of the box is a good thing.