Stop Recommending Testosterone To Newbies!

[Nelson Montana]

Yes. I know this is an unpopular stance but I maintain that a test only cycle is the WORST thing someone can do for a first cycle.

The reason is that test is what our body makes. It doesn't ake Primo or tren or deca. Give it test and it;'ll make less. People thinkother compounds are more suppressive. NOTHING is more suppressive than test! There are , however, things that will kill libido.

Tren and Deca raise prolactin and progesterone. That's the killer. They don't shut down the HPTA more than test.

And even dumber is when people suggest using test along with these compounds as some sort of responsible remedy. IT"S JUST ANOTHER SUPPRESSIVE COMPOUND!!! It will mask the problems but it still supresses.

I still think the best first cycle is a short low dose one -- to test the waters. I rmember when doing a couple of dbol was a major thrill. And we got results! Today, that isn;t enough , even if you're 150 pounds and haven't begun to tap your full potential.

Start slow. Use Primo or var or a little dbol. You can always add more and more test as you go along.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Nelson, have you any studies that claim that steroid x shuts down HPTA more than steroid y?

Alternatively some studies that show raising natural test levels is easier if using deca than test?

Thanks

 

[goin on 4T]

Good post Nelson I never really thought about it like that. I am just amazed at all of the info the younger group has available to them and how they neglectfully don't spend the time to read what is out there first! They just post and take whatever answer they get as gosphel with out any intellectual ability to ask further questions.

 

[Big A]

i guess when i see it like that i can agree, i think its just that peolpe want (expect) dramatic gains with their first cycle and test will usually do that. While the gains off of d-bol arent nearly as much they are still great for someone beggining to turn to the dark side, my first cycle was d-bol and i was happy with but it wasnt till used test when i was like holy shit.

 

[miplank]

Nelson...


Care to go into more detail for a first time AAS user? Like how much anavar, or dianabol, or primo would you run for your first cycle...and for how long?

 

[needtogetaas]

meh

 

[timtim]

so now test is the most suppressive aas out there?

studies to back this up? or is this opinion?

 

[needtogetaas]

More or less its just easy to use test. Sides are easy to handle, recovery is smooth most of the time. I guess the same can be said for primo,var. Dbol not so much.

I am against the (oral only sucks or is a waist) shit though. No part of that can be proved.

 

[Greatercow]

why not ? why would takin other steroids such as var which will fck with your lipid or dbol which will for some people just bloat them up is more beneficial than running a low dose of test done with a proper pct ? i think starting with test is a good way to start using AAS and learning how your body reacts to the main susbtance plus also learning how to do a proper pct for keepable gains.. i dont see why one would be better the the other..

 

[Nelson Montana]

why not ? why would takin other steroids such as var which will fck with your lipid or dbol which will for some people just bloat them up is more beneficial than running a low dose of test done with a proper pct ? i think starting with test is a good way to start using AAS and learning how your body reacts to the main susbtance plus also learning how to do a proper pct for keepable gains.. i dont see why one would be better the the other..

Because steroids work in tow ways -- they recirculate nitrogen and they add androgen. The later is more dramatic but more suppressive. Test is pure androgen. Greater nitrogen retention WITHOUT androgenic influx will still produce gains. In many ways, the perfect steroid wouldn't affect HPTA at all. Primo comes the closest to this. It's actually the impetus behind dianabol.

Going with test is simple and cheap but it is not the best choice in regard to maintaining a working HPTA. If you don't care about that and expect to be on HRT at age 30, it doesn't matter.