Stop Recommending Testosterone To Newbies!

[Greatercow]

ah i get your point but i think it depends on the individual nelson

lets say soomeone starts using aas at age 24 and does one cycle a year average 12-15 weeks i dont think he will end up on HRT at age 30 now on the contrary someone going on for six months at a time doing 750 mg/week might end up in this situation but id be more afraid of a liver failure than going on hrt

 

[lilj888]

Yes. I know this is an unpopular stance but I maintain that a test only cycle is the WORST thing someone can do for a first cycle.

The reason is that test is what our body makes. It doesn't ake Primo or tren or deca. Give it test and it;'ll make less. People thinkother compounds are more suppressive. NOTHING is more suppressive than test! There are , however, things that will kill libido.

Tren and Deca raise prolactin and progesterone. That's the killer. They don't shut down the HPTA more than test.

And even dumber is when people suggest using test along with these compounds as some sort of responsible remedy. IT"S JUST ANOTHER SUPPRESSIVE COMPOUND!!! It will mask the problems but it still supresses.

I still think the best first cycle is a short low dose one -- to test the waters. I rmember when doing a couple of dbol was a major thrill. And we got results! Today, that isn;t enough , even if you're 150 pounds and haven't begun to tap your full potential.

Start slow. Use Primo or var or a little dbol. You can always add more and more test as you go along.

i agree with u, not with that its the most suppressive just because i dont know if it is, but with the fact that everyone needs to stop recommending test.

everyone seems to say u cant take this without test. well i took dbol without test and it was the shit, i basically consider it my first cycle because var didnt do shit. now im on test and winny, but i would much rather go back to taking 25mg of dbol.

 

[Greatercow]

hey bro out of curiosity what gains did you get / lose with dbol only cycle ?

 

[*The_West*]

nelson, how do you figure that test is more suppresive than nandrolones?
i would also be interested to read any studies you have on this.

 

[lilj888]

hey bro out of curiosity what gains did you get / lose with dbol only cycle ?

gained 23lbs lost 6lbs so a overall gain of 17lbs plus i started to gain weight again after like 3 weeks after i got off.

 

[*The_West*]

gained 23lbs lost 6lbs so a overall gain of 17lbs plus i started to gain weight again after like 3 weeks after i got off.

thats pretty damn good actually.
what is your height, what body type are you, and what weight and bf% were you before and after the cycle?

 

[lilj888]

im 5'5 weighed 155 was prob like 15%bf, i had stopped working out for like 2 months prior to taking the dbol, i use to be big so i took the dbol to jump start me back into working out. now im like 177 at 12%

 

[*The_West*]

im 5'5 weighed 155 was prob like 15%bf, i had stopped working out for like 2 months prior to taking the dbol, i use to be big so i took the dbol to jump start me back into working out. now im like 177 at 12%

did you lose the bf% while on cycle? i would have thought that you would put a little bit on on dbol. did you use any anti aromatase?

 

[bsdgeek]

Because steroids work in tow ways -- they recirculate nitrogen and they add androgen. The later is more dramatic but more suppressive. Test is pure androgen. Greater nitrogen retention WITHOUT androgenic influx will still produce gains. In many ways, the perfect steroid wouldn't affect HPTA at all. Primo comes the closest to this. It's actually the impetus behind dianabol.

Going with test is simple and cheap but it is not the best choice in regard to maintaining a working HPTA. If you don't care about that and expect to be on HRT at age 30, it doesn't matter.

Yep, test SHUTS you down, no matter how you look at it. and it doesn't matter about whether it's low dose, or high dose, it's still shuts you down the same. the only thing that dose is going to affect is sides. good post nelson.

 

[lilj888]

did you lose the bf% while on cycle? i would have thought that you would put a little bit on on dbol. did you use any anti aromatase?

pretty sure i lost some bf on the dbol. very mad i didnt hit my abs as hard as i should on it, because the last week i was on i hit my abs hard, and they started to come through. no anti-e, took nothing on cycle besides dbol. 20mg of nolva for 5 weeks for pct.