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Squatting for Quads?

C ditty that just sounds totally backwards to me. First, the idea of squatting on plates makes me cringe, but to each his own. Front squats should be hitting your quads damn hard, and regular squats should hit your hams hard. I have no idea why you'd be backwards. Do you have vids?

There's not alot wrong with your knees coming forward a little when you're ATF because your HAMSTRINGS get recruited and protect your knee in that sitch.

I squatted wrong most of my life, but learning to squat right didn't make my quads shrink...it just made my hams grow.

Perhaps right and wrong is a little extreme, but the point I'm trying to get at is that when someone tells me their squats are working their hams, my first inclination is to say, "Congratulations! You're doing it right!" Not, "That's odd."
 
Im going to go as far as to say: there are two types of squating.

the powerlifting type (siting back, wider stance)

and back squating.....
 
So becca swanson...who squats almost 700 narrow and sits back...and is a powerlifter...what's she doing?

Not all PLers squat wide.

Irrespective, the more verticle your shins are, the more protected the knee opening. This is just biomechanics. It's not partial to your goal.
 
Please explain it to me then, because this is what I know to be true...based on biomechanics and experience:

Stance. This varies from individual to individual, but one thing is necessary for all who wish progress: you must keep your feet flat on the deck at all times. The center of gravity may be maintained over the center of the foot, but it is generally best to push through the heels. This will help in maintaining bar position and help eliminate a small degree of forward lean. To achieve this, some people find it necessary to curls the toes upward while squatting, forcing their heels flat. The feet should be placed at least shoulder width apart, and some individuals may best utilize a stance nearly twice shoulder width. The narrower stance tends to place more direct emphasis on the quads, and creates a longer path for the bar to travel. The wider stance (often called “sumo”) tends to be favored by many powerlifters, although some have enjoyed great success with a relatively narrow stance. The sumo stance place more emphasis on the adductors and hamstrings. As a rule of thumb, lifters with longer legs will need a wider stance than shorter individuals. However, there are exceptions. A wider stance will tend to recruit both the adductors and buttocks to a greater degree than a narrow stance. (1)

The shins should be a close to vertical as possible throughout the entire movement. This lessens the opening of the knee joint, and reduces the shearing force as well. By reducing the workload that the knee joint is required to handle, more of the work is accomplished by the larger muscles around the hip joint. For powerlifters, this decreases the distance one must travel with the bar, as the further the knee moves forward, the lower the hips must descend to break parallel.

There are several schools of thought on squat depth. Many misinformed individuals caution against squatting below parallel, stating that this is hazardous to the knees. Nothing could be further from the truth. (2) Stopping at or above parallel places direct stress on the knees, whereas a deep squat will transfer the load to the hips,(3) which are capable of handling a greater amount of force than the knees should ever be exposed to. Studies have shown that the squat produces lower peak tibeo-femoral(stress at the knee joint) compressive force than both the leg press and the leg extension.(4) For functional strength, one should descend as deeply as possible, and under control. (yes, certain individuals can squat in a ballistic manner, but they are the exception rather than the rule). The further a lifter descends, the more the hamstrings are recruited, and proper squatting displays nearly twice the hamstring involvement of the leg press or leg extension, (5,6) and as one of the functions of the hamstring is to protect the patella tendon(the primary tendon involved in knee extension) during knee extension through a concurrent firing process, the greatest degree of hamstring recruitment should provide the greatest degree of protection to the knee joint. (7) When one is a powerlifter, the top surface of the legs at the hip joint must descend to a point below the top surface of the legs at the knee joint.
 
spatts said:
Please explain it to me then.

some people train for quad strength and development.

some people train for hamstring and glute development.


I am going to sound rude here.....but im feeling a repeat of elitefts.com. One sided powerlifting arguments.

westside have some of the strongest squatters in the world......but they arent going for a "quad sweep" or a big C&J.

the squat is a compound movement that involves many different muscles, different stances, or positions can cause different muscle recruitment.

the only reason dave and louie are telling you to squat back is because they want you to involve more hamstrings.....which in turn will give you a bigger powerlifting squat in the long run.

i dont want a big powerlifting squat.
 
Oh boy...the westside argument. I thought we were going to argue unbiased biomechanics.


LOL...that article isn't from elitefts. It's from a very well respected olympic lifter. The kind that squats low, knees forward, etc.
 
spatts said:
Oh boy...the westside argument. I thought we were going to argue unbiased biomechanics.


LOL...that article isn't from elitefts. It's from a very well respected olympic lifter. The kind that squats low, knees forward, etc.

let me read the article first....It wasnt there when i posted
 
Okay so we both agree that the positioning can affect the muscle recruitment?

how verticle is verticle? how many degrees is considered unsafe?

many say as long as the knee caps dont extend over the toes. how do you feel about that.
 
I'd say that's pretty safe...I suppose you don't know until your knee cap shoots out the side of your leg. :lmao:
 
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