So how mad should I be?

[jnevin]

Tonight when I picked my daughter up I knew my ex wouldn't be there. She lives with her sister and her sister was supposed to be watching her. I got there at 11:15 and used my key to get in. I immediately smelled vomit and assumed it was the cat. I got to my daughter's room and knew it was coming from there. She was literally sleeping in a pool of vomit, thank god she was on her stomach (she usually sleeps on her back). Called the ex, went to vw. Texted her, no response. Got the kiddo out and gave her a bath (as she puked all over for a while) and just held her while she cried for a while. Her aunt never came out, BTW. So I was trying to turn the lights on in her room and nothing. Used my phone screen to find clothes to change the kiddo into and nothing. I left texts saying she screwed up and what happened and she has no business being a parent. Nothing back. I wrapped her up, got her home, held her for a while, and she fell asleep. I keep checking on her every 10 minutes.

So the dumb selfish pig finally calls me back an hour later and I kept hitting ignore because I was so livid I didn't want to say anything awful. Until I realized she did something awful to her child and she needed to hear about it. I didn't let her talk, let her know what a fuckup she is, and that she has no business being a parent. She'd speak, I'd hang up. I told her she should focus on her married boyfriend's kids instead of her own since she's more interested in him than her own daughter, she got mad, I hung up. She said she gave her benadryl and that probably caused the vomiting. I said "so you potentially poisoned her, let her fall asleep on a full stomach, and bailed to be with married guy that doesn't let you near his own kids?" She got mad and hung up.

I did make the mistake of saying I'd take it out on him that this happened since she's such a dumb piece of shit to bail on her daughter so she can be with him. I swear to god, when I pick my kid up fron her house she's not there more than she is.

I've never seen a mother like this. And I use the term "mother" loosely.

 

[jackangel]

does she insist on being in the kid's life? can't you get a release from her, so this custody arrangement can be dissolved?

 

[jnevin]

Dude, she thinks she's the best mom in the world. She basically babysits her while I'm at work and half the time she's not there when I pick Q up. The only night she has her overnight is Wednesday and the only day she has her is Thursday. I can actually do something with my life then and *gasp* date? Only, I usually meet girls that like me and then get frustrated and don't want to hang out because of my work and my daughter (I don't let people around her unless I'm serious about dating them). Dude she's seeing bailed on his wife and kids (the youngest was 1 month when he did) and she keeps trying to have my pet human around this loser.

Jngr has stress.

 

[calveless wonder]

Damn.

Where was her sister that entire time?

 

[jnevin]

Damn.

Where was her sister that entire time?

I'm assuming drunk and passed out. I was rattling through the apartment looking for the breaker box so I could turn lights on and she never stirred. I wanted the lights on so I could take pics of the vomit in the bed for my records. I couldn't get shit.

I asked her, "do you even want to be a fucking parent to your child?"

Her response... "you're being irrational and inappropriate".

I think I said something like," god, I wouldn't want to be josh over the next few weeks."

She was silent

-goon

 

[calveless wonder]

The lights were out in the apt? Maybe their electricity got cut off

 

[puddlemonkey]

you can't take it out on him, this is all on her. she's an adult, she makes her own decisions.

 

[jnevin]

The lights were out in the apt? Maybe their electricity got cut off

Negative. When she called and I finally answered she said she took all of the bulbs out of her room because it'd wake her up if Q would wake up and turn the lights on.

I keep seeing neglegence, but I don't know if it's the way a court would define it.

 

[nimbus]

id look into pressing charges

 

[jnevin]

you can't take it out on him, this is all on her. she's an adult, she makes her own decisions.

Yeah, but I can't hit her. Plus, I'd make her suffer through him.

 

[ceo]

talk to your cop buddies. See what they think.

 

[jnevin]

talk to your cop buddies. See what they think.

The problem with cops is they think they're all D.A.'s but all they know is what they can arrest for (anything) but not what's actually something that will stick.

 

[ceo]

I was thinking more along the lines that they could go off past experiences perhaps of similar cases.

 

[Smurfy]

that sounds real crappy. I'd be uber pissed too. There's no such thing as over reacting when it comes to your own kids, just my .02. She may think you're being irrational, but fuck that she's a cunt.

 

[Smurfy]

do you guys have shared/joint custody? if so, Id be back in court like a motherfucker going after sole custody. fuck that. I have sole custody and I tell ya what - it comes in handy cuz I call the shots.

 

[Arcon167]

Sounds like your ex been not been up to DARE standards...
Either she's gonna make a decision to clean it up, cause of this...
or things will spiral down quickly, when things are this chaotic, the tipping point to disaster patterns out quickly.
Things never stay the same, but when you get this behavioral rhythm going on.. disaster is usually right around the corner.

Should have enough ammo to get single custody.

 

[musclemom]

does she insist on being in the kid's life? can't you get a release from her, so this custody arrangement can be dissolved?

It's called support check. Fucking cvnt of an ex-wife that my husband made the mistake of reproducing with is similar, "oh, I love my children, I can't imagine my life without them." No, they just don't want to lose the secondary, tax free incomes of the weekly support check and yearly tax deduction.

 

[mustang_00]

that's horrible!!

so i'm confused about something. maybe i'm just reading it wrong. but, i get the impression that your ex or the sister purposely made your kid go to sleep with benadryl just to go out or get drunk!?!?!? i don't know if it's sad or pathetic she can't be a mom barely 2 days outta the week...

sorry rob! glad your kid is ok!

 

[SPEKTOR-AAA]

bailed to be with married guy .

Really, bitch is seeing a married dude? Not only is she a shitty mother but shes a homewrecker!! You need to con her into relinquishing her guardianship somehow. Like musclemom said I doubt that will happen due to the $$$$ factor.

 

[iggy]

That's fucking bullshit that she did that nev. As said earlier in this post, I think you need to take her to court

 

[jnevin]

It's called support check. Fucking cvnt of an ex-wife that my husband made the mistake of reproducing with is similar, "oh, I love my children, I can't imagine my life without them." No, they just don't want to lose the secondary, tax free incomes of the weekly support check and yearly tax deduction.

I don't pay child support. I have my daughter six days a week and six nights overnight. Paternity has been established but we don't have a custody agreement through the courts. It just blows because I don't have $$ for an attorney right now. I almost wonder if I'd even need one, but I'd hate to get a super pro-mom judge and get fucked, this being Utah and all.

 

[jnevin]

Really, bitch is seeing a married dude? Not only is she a shitty mother but shes a homewrecker!! You need to con her into relinquishing her guardianship somehow. Like musclemom said I doubt that will happen due to the $$$$ factor.

Yeah, dude left his wife and kidsand they're hanging out. That part wouldn't really be a concern to me, but she's had my daughter around him and that's not ok with me. Guy has three kids, the youngest was a month old when he bailed. If he's going to do that to his own kids he doesn't need to be around mine.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

damn jnevin, this is some tough shit to deal with. I would be so pissed, I dont know what its like yet to have my own kid and to not love anything more than him, but its coming up in 4 weeks and Im sorry u gotta be dealin with this shit, fuck its so disgusting

 

[nangiggles]

this is awful and you have every right to be angry, I would have taken a pic of my little girl covered in vomit and texted it to that bitch, hopefully it will ruin her fucking night, also keep the pic as evidence of negligence....

 

[Sub-Zero]

that's horrible!!

so i'm confused about something. maybe i'm just reading it wrong. but, i get the impression that your ex or the sister purposely made your kid go to sleep with benadryl just to go out or get drunk!?!?!? i don't know if it's sad or pathetic she can't be a mom barely 2 days outta the week...

sorry rob! glad your kid is ok!

something to seriously consider.

this, and start recording your fucking conversations with her. she is unfit to be a parent.

how the fuck can you leave a young child in a pool of her own vomit with no lights in the room after drugging her on benadryl? is that a fucking joke? and there was no evidence of anyone even being home??

 

[Smurfy]

nev, sounds to me like you should come up with a different babysitting option if Mom isn't capable of doing it/isn't even home. if she didn't babysit while you worked, then she would have much less time with Q to fuck things up.

 

[musclemom]

I don't pay child support. I have my daughter six days a week and six nights overnight. Paternity has been established but we don't have a custody agreement through the courts. It just blows because I don't have $$ for an attorney right now. I almost wonder if I'd even need one, but I'd hate to get a super pro-mom judge and get fucked, this being Utah and all.

Utah, huh?

Y'know something, that whole "Pro Motherhood" thing could seriously work in your favor, if you play it right. Maternal neglect will be strongly frowned upon.

If this isn't uncommon behavior for the mother then start documenting shit, even if it means you have to get the police involved. If there is any way possible you cut a piece of shit parent out of a child's life early and permanently.

 

[Roxy722]

I don't pay child support. I have my daughter six days a week and six nights overnight. Paternity has been established but we don't have a custody agreement through the courts. It just blows because I don't have $$ for an attorney right now. I almost wonder if I'd even need one, but I'd hate to get a super pro-mom judge and get fucked, this being Utah and all.

I think you have grounds to do something. If that had been child protective services that walked in the door last night and not you, you would have lost your child, at least temporarily. She was clearly put at risk and the whole light bulb thing is just strange but also puts a child at risk, as you found out last night when you were trying to help her. I think it's good you got there when you did and yes, I'd be furious if I was you. (I used to investigate child abuse allegations).

I would start looking at what Utah's courts are like. Do a lot of people go through the system without attorneys? Most family court systems would have some provisions for that. It makes it more official because if you really start fighting and things get ugly, you don't have anything to back you up legally. That being said, since there isn't anything legal, you can make the choice to withhold access and put it on her to take you to court. I'd be sure to be writing down all of this somewhere and date it too.

The other thing I'd suggest to you is to keep yourself in check when it comes to the other man, in fact, I wouldn't even bring him up if you end up in a court like situation. Places like here....vent away. I wouldn't want my kid around him either but threatening him, if you do end up in court, will work against you. Keep it clean, no matter how much it kills you. Sadly, I've seen many good dad's get screwed in court if the woman decides to go on a witch hunt. So don't give her any ammunition. She's clearly making very poor decisions and you just have find the best strategy to protect your daughter and yourself.

 

[Sub-Zero]

can you imagine if you didnt have the key to the place? what would you have done then?

also think of it from this perspective:
the cunt has to give you a key to pick up your daughter from her house, in case shes not there to hand off the kid when you arrive?

pretty sure you can lock your kid in an empty house (IE provide the same care she does) and it would still be better conditions because ur place would have the lights available

 

[BBR100]

I think you have grounds to do something. If that had been child protective services that walked in the door last night and not you, you would have lost your child, at least temporarily. She was clearly put at risk and the whole light bulb thing is just strange but also puts a child at risk, as you found out last night when you were trying to help her. I think it's good you got there when you did and yes, I'd be furious if I was you. (I used to investigate child abuse allegations).

I would start looking at what Utah's courts are like. Do you a lot of people go through the system without attorneys? Most family court systems would have some provisions for that. It makes it more official because if you really start fighting and things get ugly, you don't have anything to back you up legally. That being said, since there isn't anything legal, you can make the choice to withhold access and put it on her to take you to court. I'd be sure to be writing down all of this somewhere and date it too.

The other thing I'd suggest to you is to keep yourself in check when it comes to the other man, in fact, I wouldn't even bring him up if you end up in a court like situation. Places like here....vent away. I wouldn't want my kid around him either but threatening him, if you do end up in court, will work against you. Keep it clean, no matter how much it kills you. Sadly, I've seen many good dad's get screwed in court if the woman decides to go on a witch hunt. So don't give her any ammunition. She's clearly making very poor decisions and you just have find the best strategy to protect your daughter and yourself.

Best advice right there.

Do NOT go near the boyfriend. It's on your ex.

Too bad you couldn't take pictures but keep documenting everything you can.

Does this douche bag pay you support?
One day a week with her kid and to bail when she's sick is incomprehensible to me.

 

[digimon7068]

you should be mad as hell...however, you should also do the best you can with the situation that you're in...and, above all else, you should do the best that you can to make sure that your kid is safe and properly cared for...keep your anger within the boundries of the law (you end up in trouble? then what happens to your kid?) and, don't sink to the other person's level (someone has to find the moral, higher ground for the kid's sake)...then, after the kid is all growed up and self-sufficient, KILL EVERYONE!!!!!!!

 

[jnevin]

I think you have grounds to do something. If that had been child protective services that walked in the door last night and not you, you would have lost your child, at least temporarily. She was clearly put at risk and the whole light bulb thing is just strange but also puts a child at risk, as you found out last night when you were trying to help her. I think it's good you got there when you did and yes, I'd be furious if I was you. (I used to investigate child abuse allegations).

I would start looking at what Utah's courts are like. Do you a lot of people go through the system without attorneys? Most family court systems would have some provisions for that. It makes it more official because if you really start fighting and things get ugly, you don't have anything to back you up legally. That being said, since there isn't anything legal, you can make the choice to withhold access and put it on her to take you to court. I'd be sure to be writing down all of this somewhere and date it too.

The other thing I'd suggest to you is to keep yourself in check when it comes to the other man, in fact, I wouldn't even bring him up if you end up in a court like situation. Places like here....vent away. I wouldn't want my kid around him either but threatening him, if you do end up in court, will work against you. Keep it clean, no matter how much it kills you. Sadly, I've seen many good dad's get screwed in court if the woman decides to go on a witch hunt. So don't give her any ammunition. She's clearly making very poor decisions and you just have find the best strategy to protect your daughter and yourself.

I document everything. I have a planner and just write the time she picks her up and the time I pick her up. I also make notes of any conversations regarding my daughter. I've never threatened the guy directly and have only hinted at it to her. I do have some cop friends and they've pretty much told me how far I can go with things and be within my rights. One time the ex said she'd just go for full custody because she's a mom in Utah and I just laughed in her face asking if that was the hand she wanted to play. I told her that was fine and that I'd become homeboy's wife's best friend during their divorce and would help her lay the wood to him in any way I could. Since then he hasn't been around my kid, but she's been absent more and more.

I really do think kids need both parents, but fuck, the parents need to act like parents. Amirite/

 

[the.gladiator1987]

seems like the kid would need a good parent, not a shitty one. So not in all cases are both parents needed imo

 

[jnevin]

you should be mad as hell...however, you should also do the best you can with the situation that you're in...and, above all else, you should do the best that you can to make sure that your kid is safe and properly cared for...keep your anger within the boundries of the law (you end up in trouble? then what happens to your kid?) and, don't sink to the other person's level (someone has to find the moral, higher ground for the kid's sake)...then, after the kid is all growed up and self-sufficient, KILL EVERYONE!!!!!!!

I did feel bad this morning when she said "daddy, you yelled at mommy". I guess she heard part of the conversation even though I had her in the front room and I was in my bedroom when I was talking to the thundercunt.

 

[BBR100]

I document everything. I have a planner and just write the time she picks her up and the time I pick her up. I also make notes of any conversations regarding my daughter. I've never threatened the guy directly and have only hinted at it to her. I do have some cop friends and they've pretty much told me how far I can go with things and be within my rights. One time the ex said she'd just go for full custody because she's a mom in Utah and I just laughed in her face asking if that was the hand she wanted to play. I told her that was fine and that I'd become homeboy's wife's best friend during their divorce and would help her lay the wood to him in any way I could. Since then he hasn't been around my kid, but she's been absent more and more.

I really do think kids need both parents, but fuck, the parents need to act like parents. Amirite/

of course you're right. it just doesn't always work the way it should.
Also, I wouldn't talk to Q about what a piece of shit mother she has. She won't understand. It only confuse her more.

 

[BBR100]

I did feel bad this morning when she said "daddy, you yelled at mommy". I guess she heard part of the conversation even though I had her in the front room and I was in my bedroom when I was talking to the thundercunt.

didn't see this. you have to try to explain.

i just meant to try and keep her out of it as much as you possibly can.

 

[jnevin]

of course you're right. it just doesn't always work the way it should.
Also, I wouldn't talk to Q about what a piece of shit mother she has. She won't understand. It only confuse her more.

I do everything I can to keep her from any negative conversations the ex and I have. I never say anything bad about her mom to her. Well, last night she kept asking if mommy was working and i said no, mommy left you. Shouldn't have done that.

 

[BBR100]

I do everything I can to keep her from any negative conversations the ex and I have. I never say anything bad about her mom to her. Well, last night she kept asking if mommy was working and i said no, mommy left you. Shouldn't have done that.

probably not but in the heat of the moment shit always comes out.

I'd try to tell her that you were worried about her. I'm sure she can understands that and already knows that and feels safe with you.
You're doing a good job with this shitty situation.

 

[chris302001]

 

[digimon7068]

I did feel bad this morning when she said "daddy, you yelled at mommy". I guess she heard part of the conversation even though I had her in the front room and I was in my bedroom when I was talking to the thundercunt.

that's exactly what i'm talking about...if everything you've said is true (and i believe you completely), then, trust me, you be cool, you win in the end...kids aren't stupid...they know who takes care of them...and they know who really loves them...mommy is digging her own grave with regard to the kid.

the really sad thing?? no matter who wins, there are no real winners...everyone is losing something in varying degrees.

 

[gotmilk]

I would have been Bolo Yeung mad......and I would have called the cops so they can take a report

 

[nefertiti]

I'm surprised more people aren't horrified that she gave her child benadryl. Without her actually being sick or rashy, some consider this a reportable form of child abuse. I think it's completely unacceptable to drug your children to sleep. I also consider it to be neglect that she removes light bulbs making it impossible to care for a young child for the convenience of her not wanting to wake up if qnev slips the switch.

 

[blueta2]

Your daughter is the sweetest little princess, I hope this all works out.

 

[ceo]

nev put a flashlight in your car. you could have lit the area you wanted to take a picture of. could come in real handy in many situations.

 

[*ebony*]

+1

 

[ceo]

I really do think kids need both parents, but fuck, the parents need to act like parents. Amirite/

not when one parent is endangering the child and being negligent or abusive.

Her sister was watching Q and was asleep in the next room? I would have woke that bitch up. Fuck tiptoeing around trying to find a circuit breaker. I would have pounded on her door until she got up and turned the lights on/put bulbs in.

I think calling the police so there could be an official documentation of the event might have been a good idea. Though my hesitation would be they might get social services involved and they might take Q away from both of you for a little while. That would be bad for you.

What about getting help from your family as far as getting an attorney for custody?

 

[jnevin]

I'm surprised more people aren't horrified that she gave her child benadryl. Without her actually being sick or rashy, some consider this a reportable form of child abuse. I think it's completely unacceptable to drug your children to sleep. I also consider it to be neglect that she removes light bulbs making it impossible to care for a young child for the convenience of her not wanting to wake up if qnev slips the switch.

She has a VERY mild rash. She gave her baby benadryl, per the doc's advice. She finally called an hour ago to see how she's doing and I asked her wtf. She said she gave her the benadryl on an empty stomach, so it might as well have been a double dose. I told her the lights should be working and she disagreed. The thing that bugs me the most is that she doesn't even seem almost concerned or sorry it happened. If Q is even almost uncomfortable from something completely unrelated to anything I've done I feel almost as bad as if I would have directly caused the discomfort. All she could say was she's not a bad mom like I said she was and it wasn't her fault.

What a douche.

 

[ceo]

She has a VERY mild rash. She gave her baby benadryl, per the doc's advice. She finally called an hour ago to see how she's doing and I asked her wtf. She said she gave her the benadryl on an empty stomach, so it might as well have been a double dose. I told her the lights should be working and she disagreed. The thing that bugs me the most is that she doesn't even seem almost concerned or sorry it happened. If Q is even almost uncomfortable from something completely unrelated to anything I've done I feel almost as bad as if I would have directly caused the discomfort. All she could say was she's not a bad mom like I said she was and it wasn't her fault.

What a douche.

I would have said, "We'll let the courts decide that."

LOL! Man, I would have her killed. There's a desert near you, ya know?

 

[jnevin]

not when one parent is endangering the child and being negligent or abusive.

Her sister was watching Q and was asleep in the next room? I would have woke that bitch up. Fuck tiptoeing around trying to find a circuit breaker. I would have pounded on her door until she got up and turned the lights on/put bulbs in.

I think calling the police so there could be an official documentation of the event might have been a good idea. Though my hesitation would be they might get social services involved and they might take Q away from both of you for a little while. That would be bad for you.

What about getting help from your family as far as getting an attorney for custody?

My grandmother is the only one that really would have the $$ to do something like that and she won't even loan some cash to the grandkids if they need a laptop for school. I was talking to a friend at the gym today and he said I may not even need an attorney as long as everything is accurate, and it is. My only worry is that I could get a mormon pro-mom judge that will fuck me no matter what.

 

[BlueBird]

Your ex, and her sister, are bitches. Poor little girl, at least she's got you. I would definitely log all this and present to the appropriate authorities. You don't give a child medicine (OTC or otherwise) without proper supervision.

You may believe she needs both parents, but that certainly isn't true when one is as neglectful as your ex. Believe me, as a child raised by a single mother, it can be done, and done well.

 

[Roxy722]

My grandmother is the only one that really would have the $$ to do something like that and she won't even loan some cash to the grandkids if they need a laptop for school. I was talking to a friend at the gym today and he said I may not even need an attorney as long as everything is accurate, and it is. My only worry is that I could get a mormon pro-mom judge that will fuck me no matter what.

Hopefully, the fact that you have her most of the time anyway and the newest developments, would be obvious to even the most pro mom judge. You're doing it to protect your daughter, rather then just be an ass to her mother...and that will come through in a court hearing.

You sound like you have a really good head on your shoulders and I think your daughter is lucky to have you. Keep doing the research into the system and you'll find a way. Is there something like a legal aide service? a father's group? even a call to protective services to get direction on the next step. They often know the resources very well...you don't even have to use your name, just tell them you are looking for resources. Just a few other ideas for you.

 

[nimbus]

there are a lot of child deaths from benadryl

 

[ortiz34]

ugh damn
stay as drama free as possible
it's best for your sanity and your daughters
wtf is up w/her only having her daughter once a week, that's fucked up

 

[shirlene29]

nev, sounds to me like you should come up with a different babysitting option if Mom isn't capable of doing it/isn't even home. if she didn't babysit while you worked, then she would have much less time with Q to fuck things up.

I was thinkin this exact same thing as I was reading this...and exactly what subz said...
drugged the kid the go party, pulled the light bulbs and left her in her own vomit....inexcusable utterly...I mean how long was the poor thing disoriented and sick in her room....unfuckingbelievable

 

[ceo]

time to take a trip out to the desert with her.

 

[calveless wonder]

^----Feed her to the rattlers

 

[puddlemonkey]

 

[Sub-Zero]

you should funnel a bottle of benaydryle down ur baby'momas throat and then shove her face first in her own vomit in a dark room.

 

[calveless wonder]

Did you take that picture ?

Fuck ! I ain't going anywhere near Portland.

there's eastern diamondbacks in these parts but I don't go anywhere that's not a developed area

 

[puddlemonkey]

Did you take that picture ?

Fuck ! I ain't going anywhere near Portland.

there's eastern diamondbacks in these parts but I don't go anywhere that's not a developed area

Yeah, they're up where I like to go fly fishing. Pretty harmless, they're more afraid of you than you are of them. As long as you don't sneak up on 'em you wont get bit.

 

[puddlemonkey]

the good fishing is 8-12 miles in, if you don't get out of there by dark you're fucked.

 

[calveless wonder]

the good fishing is 8-12 miles in, if you don't get out of there by dark you're fucked.

Why?

 

[puddlemonkey]

Why?

Cause you're not gonna be able to see on the way out, and during the summer time those fuckers are still all over the trails, along with other critters. You park down by the road then bike the trail in. Even with a light attached to your helmet it's just not safe.

 

[calveless wonder]

Cause you're not gonna be able to see on the way out, and during the summer time those fuckers are still all over the trails, along with other critters. You park down by the road then bike the trail in. Even with a light attached to your helmet it's just not safe.

Fuck that shit!

I'll deal with the diseased rats and pigeons or smelly homeless people anyday over that.

 

[shirlene29]

Fuck that shit!

I'll deal with the diseased rats and pigeons or smelly homeless people anyday over that.

when you put it like this...suddenly the snakes seem like a better choice

 

[trex74]

I truly am sorry you are going through this- and I also truly believe that she put your daughter's life in danger. This could have ended tragically, it is so good you were there, I am chilled to think if she had choked on her vomit, the poor lttle thing.
I would call the police, regardless of any future consequences you may think will happen. Even if she were temporaily taken away, it is better that than neglected and put in danger from her own mother. This child needs protection from the mom and her fuckwit of a sister. The very fact that she doesn't see the seriousness only underscores how incompetent she is as a mother.

 

[nefertiti]

I truly am sorry you are going through this- and I also truly believe that she put your daughter's life in danger. This could have ended tragically, it is so good you were there, I am chilled to think if she had choked on her vomit, the poor lttle thing.
I would call the police, regardless of any future consequences you may think will happen. Even if she were temporaily taken away, it is better that than neglected and put in danger from her own mother. This child needs protection from the mom and her fuckwit of a sister. The very fact that she doesn't see the seriousness only underscores how incompetent she is as a mother.

This.