Smoking weed and training/cutting

[mm107]

LOL @ anyone saying that weed brings down training.

NOW if u get high before u workout, and u miss the workout, i think its preerty obviousl that weed is to blame.

The studies that show estrogen levels elevated after smoking weed have been disproven. THIS WOULD BE my only worry.

weed smoke hjas no where near the contaminents of cigarete smoke.

Yes it raises BP slightly

Anyone telling you from studies/paper and not from thier own expierince, just doesnt know. The studies are all bullshit about the subject.

BOTH SIDES have bullshit studies, PRO cannabis, or not.

I smoke daily. Maybe even 2x day. Once right after training. And once before sleep basically.

NOW am i saying i could have done better w/ results if i ddint smoke, of course, but would it really make a difference? Prob not.

I bust my ass in the gym, weed relaxes me. Arnold smokes weed. Besides, unlike ciggarets which constrict the lungs, i believe marijuana opens the passageway allowing even more oxygen to be allowed in (trying to remember if i read it, or someone told me)

Smoke on brother.
Arnold Did =]

 

[JKurz1]

I wouldnt compare arnolds use to yours bro....

 

[mm107]

I wouldnt compare arnolds use to yours bro....

and why not?
discuss

ill see if my side is debatable...

i know arnold was using AAS and what not, but its still the same basics.

just wondering ur input jkurz.

 

[JKurz1]

Toxicology. 2005 Jan 31;206(3):471-8.


Marijuana extracts possess the effects like the endocrine disrupting chemicals.

Watanabe K, Motoya E, Matsuzawa N, Funahashi T, Kimura T, Matsunaga T, Arizono K, Yamamoto I.

Department of Hygienic Chemistry, Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Hokuriku University, Ho-3 Kanagawa-machi, Kanazawa 920-1181, Japan. [email protected]

The progesterone 17alpha-hydroxylase activity, which is one of the steroidogenic enzymes in rat testis microsomes, was significantly inhibited by crude marijuana extracts from Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA)- and cannabidiolic acid (CBDA)-strains. Delta(9)-Tetrahydrocannabinol, cannabidiol and cannabinol also inhibited the enzymatic activity with relatively higher concentration (100-1000 microM). Testosterone 6beta- and 16alpha-hydroxylase activities together with androstenedione formation from testosterone in rat liver microsomes were also significantly inhibited by the crude marijuana extracts and the cannabinoids. Crude marijuana extracts (1 and 10 microg/ml) of THCA strain stimulated the proliferation of MCF-7 cells, although the purified cannabinoids (THC, CBD and CBN) did not show significant effects, such as the extract at the concentration of 0.01-1000 nM. These results indicate that there are some metabolic interactions between cannabinoid and steroid metabolism and that the constituents showing estrogen-like activity exist in marijuana.

Edit: I made the important sentence bold/underline.

 

[JKurz1]

Marijuana : How it affects building muscle

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Here is an abstract I found on PubMed :

Plasma LH are significantly depressed and cortisol significantly elevated after smoking marijuana. Nonsignificant depressions of prolactin, FSH, testosterone and free testosterone and elevation of GH also occurred.

(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract)

The symptoms i experience after smoking closely resemble side effects of a cortisol spike (munchies, lethargy, slight anxiety). I noticed the relation when i was reading up on cortisol. It lead me to search about marijuana and hormone levels. Sure enough, cortisol, the muscle eating hormone, is elevated, and LH drops. Lowered LH results in lower sperm count. These are temporary effects, generally 24 hours. That means that daily use is catabolic and raises fat storage. Endurance drops. I beleive it will hinder gains. Any educated input is welcome to this thread, thread parrots and moralist please keep it to yourself. Thnx,

 

[JKurz1]

Put it this way:

I am sure literally EVERYONE here has done this at one time or another. At one time in my life, long ago in my music making days, we used to use this as a way to "open up the paths of creativity" and get the "freestyle" going. Others use it for medicinal purposes, or in other social settings for whatever reasons. (Relaxation, video games, etc.)

I feel though however, once you truly "grow up" and have a grasp on what it is you really want to do in life, you can no longer afford the "fog" that this substance leaves you in. It's a hallucinogen/depressant, so you are basically fooling yourself into thinking you are being creative, doing something you couldn't otherwise do if you were sober, etc. It's a catch 22, and yes it may be fun at times, but in the long/big scheme of things, the negatives HIGHLY outweigh the positives.

Now, put this substance into the realm of fitness, and there is NO question that it does FAR more damage than good. From everything from motivation, to estrogen, to the munchies, to oxygen capacity, to brain cells, etc. So, I am not trying to be the "father figure" here or preach to you all, but seriously consider what it is you wish to accomplish in life and if you can truly get there while partaking with this substance.

If you can, more power to you, but often times it's very mis-leading and you are a better more outgoing person w/out it. You can attain more w/out it, that's for sure, and that's 100% real.

 

[Lifterforlife]

Brand new research is pointing to pot as being just as dangerous as cigarettes, earlier studies many things were overlooked. I think Jkurz for once has a valid point. At some point in your life, it is time to put priorities in order and grow up.

 

[JKurz1]

Thanks Lifer, in the same breath...go fuck yourself!

 

[Lifterforlife]

Thanks Lifer, in the same breath...go fuck yourself!

 

[mm107]

Nice reads Jkurz, but i just have the tendency to not go with those studies, only because they are Govt funded, and the Govt, doesnt want weed legal.

gimme some time to pull up some studies on my side....