Short1 - Bodybuilding Competition Log

[The Shadow]

it depends.....


if you use the Deca AND try to help alleviate the culprits...some permanant gains can be made.

 

[blut wump]

So when you go off deca for joint pain, it comes back? Does it just help mask it or alleviate it to some extent?

Here's an interesting article on Deca and joints:
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/anthony-roberts/deca-durabolin-and-your-joints.htm

As Shadow mentions, you have to help it to help you.

 

[the-short-one]

I'm gonna take a stab at this -- deca was always the one AAS that guys had available and unless you were a hardcore "old school" FBB, women just didn't use AAS at all up until 8-10 yrs ago. You simply didn't see "big" women except the really BIG pro FBBs. About the time that you started to see the backlash of the freaky huge women and the rise of fitness and then figure, then I think more of the lighter drugs were more available and more well-known via the internet. At that point probably winny was considered the "entry point" for most women and deca was still considered too harsh unless you wanted to look like Kim Chizevsky (in her late 90s Ms O days). And that trend has just continued w/ an even greater trend from winny to var & primo instead of deca. And even now when people discuss deca, its more towards NPP for women instead of traditional deca. And if they are looking for something "more", then GH gets brought into the discussion.

As far as the slow-acting, slow gains, etc. --- exactly another reason why its NOT suggested for women - longer 1/2 life means if you do experience sides, you have to wait that much longer for the stuff to clear out of your body to stop the sides.

But for joints, deca consistently comes up as the one AAS mentioned.

oddly, I have not eperienced any harsh sides. as we've discussed before, aas usage is such an individual thing. I experienced more sides from primo than I do from deca. go figure.

 

[the-short-one]

December 9, 2006

Supps Today:

1.5 iu GH
calcium
green tea
vitamin c
multi vitamin
sesamin
guggelesterones
fat burner tha contains ephedra
yohimbine HCL
emerald balance (connective tissue/hair/skin/nails)


Today I ate:

Meal One:

40 grams Whey Protein Shake in skim milk - (isopure zero carb strawberry)
1 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

Meal Two:

i'v been cooking this all together lately. added some splenda & cinnamon.
6 egg whites
2 Whole eggs
1.5 cups of Oatmeal

Meal Three

100g. Sweet potatoes
6 oz of chicken breast
Fat burners


Meal Four

40 grams whey protein - (isopure zero carb strawberry)
100g. Sweet potatoes


Meal Five:

8 oz Chicken breast
1-Cup Broccoli
vitamins

Meal Six:

Extended release shake 40 grams of Casein protein in skim milk - (BSN Lean Dessert CinnamonRoll)

 

[The Shadow]

Primo = MAJOR sides for more than 75% of those who use it - hair loss especially

 

[Sassy69]

oddly, I have not eperienced any harsh sides. as we've discussed before, aas usage is such an individual thing. I experienced more sides from primo than I do from deca. go figure.

Its hard to judge what people consider "harsh" sides -- I think that if you have some experience and are very focused on what your goals are, you are going to more accepting of the sides just as "'part of the cost" and you are ok w/ them than say someone who was told "You should compete" and then they get some brilliant guy in the gym who tells them about deca and they start loading it.

And beyond that it is absolutely a very individual thing and I'd bet the sides aren't as bad as you "hear about" - but again - that assumes YOU have already educated yourself, done some experimentation, have the diet & training already established & tight. The really bad things that would keep people away would be immediate sensitivity to voice change, hair loss, severe acne and sometimes people experience the equivalent of "sus flu" - particularly you hear about that w/ winny, or the bloating they either didn't know about (primarily due to lack of education or shitball diet) or they are actually that sensitive. But you'd only know that all if you tried it in a very contolled experimentation approach.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

oddly, I have not eperienced any harsh sides. as we've discussed before, aas usage is such an individual thing. I experienced more sides from primo than I do from deca. go figure.

And it REALLY REALLY depends on your education. If you tried Deca (or any AAS) "because your boyfriend/friend/dude at the gym told me 852mg of XYZ would rip me up/lose fat/gain muscle/make me look like a superstar" then you are crusin' for a bruisin' and a hellacious time.

But because you took the TIME to educate yourself - that makes the world of difference. Not to mention that you also do not expect the AAS to do the work for you .... you recognize that AAS is simply one of the tools to HELP you reach your goals. Self-education is essential.

 

[The Shadow]

Alllriighty......


I think the point concerning self education and individualistic tendencies have been covered.







Moving right along................





















Shorty - I have a plan for your vacation diet.....


thinking about a drop in carbs while you are there.....still turning it over

 

[The Shadow]

btw - I am turing the convo based on pms Im getting from armchair steriod gurus who don't know the difference between aldactone and alderosterone

 

[Sassy69]

LOL sorry for the thread jackage.

The deca discussion is rather interesting but I think the point is that shorty knows what she's doing. In this case, IMO the whole discussion about whether its right or wrong to use any particular steroid is rather besides the point. Deca is an interesting topic because it has that great aspect about joint support but also is one of those steroids that literally everyone has heard of but considered it 'too harsh'. Its not a common topic in the area of women's competition all that much any more.