Short1 - Bodybuilding Competition Log

[Daisy_Girl]

yes. i'm cutting and pasting from Shadow's PM, so am repeating the typo. sorry bout that.


I chose deca mainly because of my joint issues. Blut wump gave me some good reading info on it, and i spent a month reading up on whatever I could regarding deca usage and women. - talked to women who have used it, etc. I was also looking for something a little milder than primo. i like the fast results with primo, but "fast" wasn't my goal. i was looking for something a little more gentle, side-wise.

deca has given me good, slow gains and has totally eased the pain in my joints. only side i've experienced is a little breaking out on shoulders, but that has gone away. it may not be a good choice for everyone, but it was good for me.

LOL

Thanks on the input. Like I said, I was just curious why you chose Deca, not many females do, ya know? Certainly was not a judgment or questioning your choice - just wondering. Thanks for answering!

 

[The Shadow]

ok. so - starting monday I do:



Incline Fyles 4 sets of 10-12 reps(3 second pause on stretch)
Pec-dec or Cable Crossover - 4 sets of 10-12 reps (3 second hold on contraction
Flat Bench 5 sets of 12-6 reps

then score 1-10 (10 = failure) the workout.
1-2 days later score 1-10 based on soreness and how bad I'd like to kill you. got it.



r-ala = glucorell? 1 with every meal but last, right?

well......



with every starch meal....yes

 

[DieselGunz]

amazing thread Shadow and Shorty Best wishes to both of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[the-short-one]

well......



with every starch meal....yes

sorry. every starch meal.

 

[the-short-one]

amazing thread Shadow and Shorty Best wishes to both of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you!

 

[the-short-one]

LOL

Thanks on the input. Like I said, I was just curious why you chose Deca, not many females do, ya know? Certainly was not a judgment or questioning your choice - just wondering. Thanks for answering!

i had to drive 5 hours today and it gave me time to think about this. lol

I think the reason a lot of women don't take it is

1 - they don't know anything about it
2 - they're figure girls who are looking at something for quick, small gains or hardening up - like primo and var

deca is for slow gains over a longer period of time. the gains are solid, tho - and from what I've been told and what I've read, kept after you go off. my skin didn't get oily and my hair didn't shed. I haven't experienced any "swelling". my voice does get raspy the day of the shot, but goes back to normal after about 2 days.

 

[Sassy69]

i had to drive 5 hours today and it gave me time to think about this. lol

I think the reason a lot of women don't take it is

1 - they don't know anything about it
2 - they're figure girls who are looking at something for quick, small gains or hardening up - like primo and var

deca is for slow gains over a longer period of time. the gains are solid, tho - and from what I've been told and what I've read, kept after you go off. my skin didn't get oily and my hair didn't shed. I haven't experienced any "swelling". my voice does get raspy the day of the shot, but goes back to normal after about 2 days.

I'm gonna take a stab at this -- deca was always the one AAS that guys had available and unless you were a hardcore "old school" FBB, women just didn't use AAS at all up until 8-10 yrs ago. You simply didn't see "big" women except the really BIG pro FBBs. About the time that you started to see the backlash of the freaky huge women and the rise of fitness and then figure, then I think more of the lighter drugs were more available and more well-known via the internet. At that point probably winny was considered the "entry point" for most women and deca was still considered too harsh unless you wanted to look like Kim Chizevsky (in her late 90s Ms O days). And that trend has just continued w/ an even greater trend from winny to var & primo instead of deca. And even now when people discuss deca, its more towards NPP for women instead of traditional deca. And if they are looking for something "more", then GH gets brought into the discussion.

As far as the slow-acting, slow gains, etc. --- exactly another reason why its NOT suggested for women - longer 1/2 life means if you do experience sides, you have to wait that much longer for the stuff to clear out of your body to stop the sides.

But for joints, deca consistently comes up as the one AAS mentioned.

 

[blut wump]

Deca is the traditional mild steroid. As Sassy mentions, NPP is preferred in case of sides, since you can get off it much faster and it'll clear in a sensible amount of time. With Deca, if you see sides then there's nothing you can do but watch them worsen for a couple of weeks as the ever-so-long ester starts to work its way out of your body. Even long-time male users typically way underestimate the clearance times of Deca.

On the other hand, if someone has used Deca before and knows that they're not prone to sides, then it offers the advantage of infrequent dosage compared with NPP which should be shot E3D, if not E2D. As a woman, there's no PCT, as such, to worry about, just clearance times.

 

[The Shadow]

For joint pain deca is untouchable, although NPP is very good as well - so it comes down to personal reference and personal realization of sides.

As the show date approaches, some supps are going to get rotated out, others in and dosages will be varied - at that point the deca will be rotated out of the equation and npp will be rolled in as training will be MUCH lighter at that point, so the(possible) drop in "joint lube" from using NPP will be acceptable.

The most important issue at this point is that day to day activity was being impacted by joint issues...that is being addressed currently with both the Deca and the training.

 

[*Bunny*]

So when you go off deca for joint pain, it comes back? Does it just help mask it or alleviate it to some extent?