Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Can anyone give me advice on how much winstrol I should be taking? This is my first cycle. I am taking 5mg pills. I took 5mg for a week and saw no results. Then took 10mg for a week and saw no results. I am 5'6" and 128lbs. I have been seriously lifting for about 3 years. I am considering doing a figure competition in September. I know that a normal dosage for men is 50mg.
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Sassy69
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First - hi & welcome to the boards! Winny takes a little while to kick in. How did you happen to choose winny as your first cycle?
Also so we can have a more complete discussion about your results / progress, can you post up your current stats, specifically bodyfat. And also your daily meal plan - what you eat , how much, when you eat it for a day, and also your training & cardio schedule. 'Results' w/ AAS are heavily determined by your diet as well as the drug itself.
Also so we can have a more complete discussion about your results / progress, can you post up your current stats, specifically bodyfat. And also your daily meal plan - what you eat , how much, when you eat it for a day, and also your training & cardio schedule. 'Results' w/ AAS are heavily determined by your diet as well as the drug itself.
Thanks Sassy! I am so happy that I found this site! I basically chose winny because I only feel comfortable with anavar or winny as a woman. I tried for months to locate var and couldnt so I went with winny. I have a friend who used it previously and she was happy with it.
As for my stats, I have my measurements at home. My body fat is between 17% and 18% right now. I do keep a pretty strict diet. I will give you an example of a pretty typical day for me below. I weight train 4 or 5 days a week depending on how I split my body parts and how much time I have. I do cardio 6 days a week. I do 40 mins in the morning on an empty stomach. I weight train in the evening after work. Sometimes I do some additional cardio after weight training (20-30 additional mins). I am 27 years old.
breakfast: 4 egg whites with one slice of wheat bread
mid morning snack: sometimes nothing, if i am hungry i eat a protein bar or an apple
lunch: 4 oz chicken breast with 1/2 cup brown rice or 1/2 cup kashi or baked potato or sweet potato
mid afternoon snack: sometimes nothing, if i am hungry i will have an orange, apple or protein bar if i didnt eat one in the morning
dinner: same as lunch sometimes i eat deer meat or fish instead of chicken
or i will do egg whites again or protein pancakes
after working out: protein shake if i am hungry i may have a small bag of popcorn or a 1/2 cup yogurt with fruit
This week I have raised my dosage to 15mg per day and I feel like I am starting to see results. Let me know what you think! Thanks!
As for my stats, I have my measurements at home. My body fat is between 17% and 18% right now. I do keep a pretty strict diet. I will give you an example of a pretty typical day for me below. I weight train 4 or 5 days a week depending on how I split my body parts and how much time I have. I do cardio 6 days a week. I do 40 mins in the morning on an empty stomach. I weight train in the evening after work. Sometimes I do some additional cardio after weight training (20-30 additional mins). I am 27 years old.
breakfast: 4 egg whites with one slice of wheat bread
mid morning snack: sometimes nothing, if i am hungry i eat a protein bar or an apple
lunch: 4 oz chicken breast with 1/2 cup brown rice or 1/2 cup kashi or baked potato or sweet potato
mid afternoon snack: sometimes nothing, if i am hungry i will have an orange, apple or protein bar if i didnt eat one in the morning
dinner: same as lunch sometimes i eat deer meat or fish instead of chicken
or i will do egg whites again or protein pancakes
after working out: protein shake if i am hungry i may have a small bag of popcorn or a 1/2 cup yogurt with fruit
This week I have raised my dosage to 15mg per day and I feel like I am starting to see results. Let me know what you think! Thanks!
Sassy69 said:
buffgrl23 said:
Okay. Really, first - WELCOME! :wavy:
Next. Your diet is decent. Not great. It definately needs adjusting. It is likely why results are slow coming for you.
I suggest you read through some of the link in this thread for sample diets and further explanations: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=363631
Also, for further info on AAS and females, I would DEFINATELY read this thread: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302279
First, you are not eating enough. You are eating about 3 meals, sometime a little more IF you have snacks. Not acceptable for fat loss and/or muscle gain. Meals should be 3-4 hours apart. There should be a SET 5 meals a day in your diet. None of this "if I am hungry". If you do not eat at consistent intervals, throughout the day, then your metabolism will NOT stay raised and chugging along. The monger you go between meals, the more of a chance for your metabolism to slow down.
Second, your protein is too low. You are getting approx 3 medium servings of protein a day. Again, not acceptable for fat loss or muscle gain. Portein intake should be 1-1.5g per body weight. You are looking at probably just over 100g a day.
Third, you listed foods but no further details. The food choices are good ones (most of them). But we don't know preparation methods, any condiments or marinades used? You need to chart EVERY SINGLE THING that goes in your mouth. This is how you will get a TRUE breakdown of what you are eating.
Fourth, water intake? How much a day? You need to be at minimum 1 gallon a day.
Fifth, where is the fat in your diet? You are taking in virtually NO fat. This is not a good diea. You cannot burn fat without fat in your diet. Your diet should be high protein-moderate carb-moderate fat. Good fat sources are almonds, flax oil, olive oil, fish oil. This needs to be added in.
Sixth, you MUST have a protein shake post weight lifting. None of this "if I am hungry". Your body needs this protein shake after working out.
Seventh, drop the bread in Meal 1. Add oatmeal or cream of wheat made with water. Drop the yogurt and fruit at bedtime - this is all sugar. You can eat it, but do so way earlier in the day and eat it with a protein source. YOU MUST add snacks in mid AM and PM - cottage cheese and almonds are a good one. DO NOT workout and then starve yourselve all night. This is SO counterproductive. You need to have a shake after wroking out, and you need to eat before bed to stave off catabolism. A straight protein souce (3oz chicken) is fine, or protein and fat.
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Daisy, Thanks for the info. I must admit I was a little taken aback by your response as I usually pride myself in being pretty knowledgeable on this stuff. But I do appreciate your honesty and response and welcome anymore suggestions you have. I will check out the links that you gave me as well.
Most of my diet stuff I have learned from my friend who is an exercise science major and has competed in figure. I do know many of the rules you noted such as me needing to eat more meals and intake more protein. My friend, who is my fitness idol, has encouraged me to back off from the snacks and cut back on my protein some. So that was where I was coming from there. However, I do agree with everything you said. I guess it depends on my goals, right? Right now I am still trying to add some mass or at least maintain what I have. Mostly I am interested in lowering my body fat more.
As for your questions: Preparation methods- I try to cook everything as clean as possible using no marinades and few condiments. Mostly I just use cooking spray, cinammon, slenda, pepper, and salt free seasoning. Occasionally I will use salsa.
Water intake- I try to drink a gallon a day.
Fat- I take fish oil pills. I sometimes eat natural peanut butter or snack on nuts. I don't take in much fat unless it is a cheat day.
Most of my diet stuff I have learned from my friend who is an exercise science major and has competed in figure. I do know many of the rules you noted such as me needing to eat more meals and intake more protein. My friend, who is my fitness idol, has encouraged me to back off from the snacks and cut back on my protein some. So that was where I was coming from there. However, I do agree with everything you said. I guess it depends on my goals, right? Right now I am still trying to add some mass or at least maintain what I have. Mostly I am interested in lowering my body fat more.
As for your questions: Preparation methods- I try to cook everything as clean as possible using no marinades and few condiments. Mostly I just use cooking spray, cinammon, slenda, pepper, and salt free seasoning. Occasionally I will use salsa.
Water intake- I try to drink a gallon a day.
Fat- I take fish oil pills. I sometimes eat natural peanut butter or snack on nuts. I don't take in much fat unless it is a cheat day.
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Sassy69
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Daisy nailed it! Here's the thing - if you are looking to compete and you are ingesting AAS, you need to have your diet & training going and tight in order to produce the results you are looking for. The AAS is primarily going to respond to your diet, i.e. winny or var can be used on a "cutting" cycle or a "bulking" cycle. If you intend to maintain or build muscle you need to eat accordingly. Same with cutting - if you are training hard but not eating enough to support it, you are possibly burning muscle as well as fat and that may get you to a lower bodyfat ratio, but remember that that ratio is between your lean muscle & bodyfat. If you lower both, you don't really accomplish much.
To your point, if you are looking to compete in Sept, you don't want to get too far ahead of yourself in bodyfat loss too soon, because then you are left trying to maintain a lower bodyfat before you enter your primary competition prep phase, and stuff can happen during that time that can just screw things up. Therefore, you can probably still have some cheats in your diet this far out, however you are really screwign yourself out of an opportunity to build some good quality mass & do some shaping with the winny and some time to do it, if you aren't eating enough protein to support it.
And just generally, I don't think women should take cycling casually. If you are doing it for a purpose, particularly competition, you need to be serious about doing the whole diet & training & cycling because if all that stuff isn't in line, then you probably won't get the results you expect from the AAS and then start wondering why. Don't rely on the cycle part of it in a vacuum to get you results. AAS is strictly an enhancement to an already tight diet & training.
To your point, if you are looking to compete in Sept, you don't want to get too far ahead of yourself in bodyfat loss too soon, because then you are left trying to maintain a lower bodyfat before you enter your primary competition prep phase, and stuff can happen during that time that can just screw things up. Therefore, you can probably still have some cheats in your diet this far out, however you are really screwign yourself out of an opportunity to build some good quality mass & do some shaping with the winny and some time to do it, if you aren't eating enough protein to support it.
And just generally, I don't think women should take cycling casually. If you are doing it for a purpose, particularly competition, you need to be serious about doing the whole diet & training & cycling because if all that stuff isn't in line, then you probably won't get the results you expect from the AAS and then start wondering why. Don't rely on the cycle part of it in a vacuum to get you results. AAS is strictly an enhancement to an already tight diet & training.
Word Sassy .... AAS is serious stuff! AAS will only take you as far as your DIET allows you.
buffgrl - I was certainly not trying to slam your knowledge. Around here, you kinda need to have tough skin. It is hard taking criticism - esp when you are trying so hard, and wanting to do such a good job. Your diet is a lot better than many I have seen here!
Diet knowledge is always evolving. You will NEVER EVER know enough, you will NEVER know everything. What works today, may not work tomorrow or next year. With every pound of fat you lose/gain (and muscle loss/gain) your body response changes - you have to stay on top of things so you are always changing. What works for one person almost certainly won't work the same for another.
buffgrl - I was certainly not trying to slam your knowledge. Around here, you kinda need to have tough skin. It is hard taking criticism - esp when you are trying so hard, and wanting to do such a good job. Your diet is a lot better than many I have seen here!
Diet knowledge is always evolving. You will NEVER EVER know enough, you will NEVER know everything. What works today, may not work tomorrow or next year. With every pound of fat you lose/gain (and muscle loss/gain) your body response changes - you have to stay on top of things so you are always changing. What works for one person almost certainly won't work the same for another.
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