roids and genetics

[kahbab]

Well Sambo a mutagen is considered anything that interacts with DNA. Some mutagens are ciggerette smoke, alcohol, and STEROIDS. If a mutation changes the
sequence of DNA in a gene, then the mRNA and protein made from that gene will be
different than it was before the mutation. Most mutations are harmful and lead to the
synthesis of abnormal or non-functional proteins which could cause cell death or cancer.
Its unlikely to happen but there is a 1 in a million chance it could.

this is correct AAS can cause cancer (not to often i think) so it will affect the DNA since cancer is a genetic mutation (uncontrolled cell division). what the question was can it cause a positive change that will breed a more athletic child with better genes. the answer to that is no IMO. the same question could be raised in regards to the negative side affects of AAS like cancer or hair loss. can that be passed on? i think not but you have to consider passing on the good and the bad.

 

[busamuscle]

i do have a zx12r that has not been touched by any bike around.
i wonder how many other people here roll on streetbikes?
props to you though, you do have one badass sport tourer, on the topic of genetics, your hayabusa is genetically related to the suzuki sidekick isnt it?
i fear only turbo.

the zx12 is a fast bike but they are about a few mph slower than the busa at top speed but my bike is not stock my friend!but you and i both know that it more about the rider than the bike!

 

[a-f-x]

i hate to change the subject of this thread, which is an interesting theory, but im surprised to see fellow riders on this board. theres gotta be a few more besides you and me busa. ill send you a pm later, ive gotta get my fat ass to school now.

 

[badslinky]

like cancer or hair loss. can that be passed on? i think not but you have to consider passing on the good and the bad.

Can hairloss be passed on...? Yes. Its called MPB. Can cancer be passed on...? Yes most definetly. The chances of this happening... Slim. As far as creating a super child from muscle gains that were aquired from AAS...? I dunno, Im thinking no because steriods simply increase protein synthesis and mineral levels through increased testosterone levels in most cases the do not alter your genes into making you a super human. When you stop taking steroids do you still maintain that high level of protein sysnthesis? I have never heard of this. Is it possible, Who knows, the may be a 1 out of a billion oddity were something bizzare happens but I have no idea... My scientific knowledge stops here. I have had fun debating this topic though, this sort of stuff intrests me.

 

[Tux]

Well, I don't think you can ALTER your genetics themselves via steroids. However, I do believe you can surpass your non-enhanced genetic "max", so to speak, and maintain that. For example, when I first started lifting weights, I was 16, junior in high school. 5'5", and 112lbs. Lean but freakin' tiny. 3 years later, after 2 years of training and a year of serious powerlifting, I weighed in at 123lbs at my heaviest. I simply could not get much above that, 125 maybe on a good day. If that was all the gains I could get at my natural testosterone peak, even when my metabolism slowed down I doubt I'd ever have weighed more than 140-145lbs lean. Did some gear... ok a lot of gear, lol, and now I can maintain 170-175lbs 10% bf at 5'5" without using anything. On cycle I've been as high as 205lbs 11%, I tend to hover around 180-185 these days. Did I change my actual genetic code? No. But did I vastly surpass the maximum development I could have acheived naturally? Hell yes I did. I believe this was due, in some part, to the hyperplasia effects of IGF and tren, in addition to the more general hypertrophy that occurs with most gear. I can't wait for genetic engineering though, just shoot me with a nice retro-virus, and my test levels double, IGF doubles, myostatin drops in half, and I'm a freak inside 3 months baby

 

[Agathe]

Well I know a guy who's father used steroids and was a track star in europe. This guy actually played in the nba for 2 years and now plays ball in europe. The guy is naturally a monster. When he was 18 he dunked over a car in an allstar game. Probobly one of the strongest players in europe. Too slow and bad shot didn't give him a spot in the NBA for too long.

http://www.geocities.com/eraltug81/milic.html

that site is dedicated to him

 

[toxicsambo]

Well, I don't think you can ALTER your genetics themselves via steroids. However, I do believe you can surpass your non-enhanced genetic "max", so to speak, and maintain that. For example, when I first started lifting weights, I was 16, junior in high school. 5'5", and 112lbs. Lean but freakin' tiny. 3 years later, after 2 years of training and a year of serious powerlifting, I weighed in at 123lbs at my heaviest. I simply could not get much above that, 125 maybe on a good day. If that was all the gains I could get at my natural testosterone peak, even when my metabolism slowed down I doubt I'd ever have weighed more than 140-145lbs lean. Did some gear... ok a lot of gear, lol, and now I can maintain 170-175lbs 10% bf at 5'5" without using anything. On cycle I've been as high as 205lbs 11%, I tend to hover around 180-185 these days. Did I change my actual genetic code? No. But did I vastly surpass the maximum development I could have acheived naturally? Hell yes I did. I believe this was due, in some part, to the hyperplasia effects of IGF and tren, in addition to the more general hypertrophy that occurs with most gear. I can't wait for genetic engineering though, just shoot me with a nice retro-virus, and my test levels double, IGF doubles, myostatin drops in half, and I'm a freak inside 3 months baby

Yeah, I think gear altering your genetic code is highly unlikely. If it were that easy then we would see tons of mutated individuals being born, which isn't the case. Someone would just up and use gear for the purpose of creating a freak baby. Development is altogether different and very real. That's the purpose of nutrition, training, and gear. So we can achieve our max potential and then some. But it stops there, and stops with the user. AAS users have well developed delts, back, and forearms. Those are the telltale signs of development, not genetic restructuring.

 

[busamuscle]

Yeah, I think gear altering your genetic code is highly unlikely. If it were that easy then we would see tons of mutated individuals being born, which isn't the case. Someone would just up and use gear for the purpose of creating a freak baby. Development is altogether different and very real. That's the purpose of nutrition, training, and gear. So we can achieve our max potential and then some. But it stops there, and stops with the user. AAS users have well developed delts, back, and forearms. Those are the telltale signs of development, not genetic restructuring.

I will make this simple the more times your cells and DNA replicate the higher the chance for genetic mutation and that is how life has evolved ,mostly through genetic mutation of some sort!!

 

[Tux]

And I will KEEP it simple for ya busa. Those are RANDOM mutations. Taking steroids isn't going to change your genes to reflect the changes in your phenotype. Just b/c your dad took lots of gear and slightly, VERY SLIGHTLY, increased his rate of random mutations, does not mean in ANY way, that your genes will somehow have been improved on b/c of that. You might get a random mutation that helps you, you might have gotten it anyway. You might also get trisomy of the 21st chromosome and be fucked lol. Point is, yes you do increase the rate of random mutations, but they're just that, random. No overall change in your genetic structure. If a fetus incurs any serious changes to it's genes, it very rarely survives the first trimester of pregnancy, much less survives to be born. Sorry, but ya can't load up on gear and then have super-kids... though it'd be a sweet racket if you could

 

[Outtlaw]

this is correct AAS can cause cancer (not to often i think) so it will affect the DNA since cancer is a genetic mutation (uncontrolled cell division). what the question was can it cause a positive change that will breed a more athletic child with better genes. the answer to that is no IMO. the same question could be raised in regards to the negative side affects of AAS like cancer or hair loss. can that be passed on? i think not but you have to consider passing on the good and the bad.

Come on man, you cant make claims like that without scientific backup. I havent seen anyone prove that AAS by itself can directly cause cancer in a healthy individual. Sure, AAS may increase the odds of getting cancer in people who are at high risk or have cancer that runs in their family, but you cant turn that around and say that its the AAS that caused them to get the cancer when they may have gotten it regardless in the 1st place.

Same thing with hairloss. I never get any hairloss as a side effect, but Im not prone to it and it doesnt run in my family.