Real BEST Cardio

[abc 1]

nelson:

aren't you on hrt year round?

i would think if i was on gh and test for even 1/2 the year i would be able to do away with cardio.

drop the hrt therapy and let's see what your bf is 6 months later.

if you are not or have not been on hrt, i apologize for the statement. i am pretty sure you have stated you were but i am too lazy to do a search.

 

[Tigrones]

Guys, you are all missing the most obvious way to lose excess fat: have sex in the morning on empty stomach for 30-45' before breakfast.

 

[Themachine01]

I find it very hard to believe that genetics and natural metabolism doesnt play a big role in fat burning. Of course the Pros might not have to do cardio, but thats because like you stated, the insane amount of drugs and great genetics. My lifting partner has never went above 9-10% while bulking and that is while eating everything in site, he cant put fat no matter how hard he tries, his metabolism is that fast. He easily can cut down to 6-7% with just diet and training. Me on the other hand has a very slow metabolism. I have went from 9% bf to 18% in a matter on months while bulking.

Now, If me and him were to try and cut down in say a 3 month period, a little comp per say, you are trying to tell me that a strict diet and training will keep me right on pace with him, i dont think so. I agree that it is possible, but it will take me about 6 months to lose the amount of bf he lost in 2 months. Now, lets say I throw in cardio, are you saying that it would not speed the process up and make op the difference in our metabolism differences??

 

[georgie24]

Sprints, farmer's walk, high rep squats.

Anyone who does any of that in the a.m., on an empty stomach, will never theorize again about any of this.

Losing muscle? We're talking about a 20 minute workout here. How much muscle will you lose? The fat is burned all day, after the exercise. Go to maximum intensity, to total failure.

I have never ever seen this approach fail. Not once. I can get to 5% with this, without drugs. It works. Try it first, eight weeks, then come back and post your theories.

They will be much different.

damn right bro! your pics are insane!! can you coach me via online? pm me if you wanna help


p.s if you guys havnt seen his pics(fn-shredded) then you aint seen ripped!!

 

[thelegacy]

You are missing Nelson's simple point. Fat loss happens due to a negative calorie balance, not because you do xxx exercise for yyy minutes at zzz heartrate. Cardio burns calories, as does every other activity you do throughout the day so there is no "magic" that happens when you step on a treadmill. If you want to lose fat then create a caloric deficit and do some form of weight training to signal the body to preserve it's muscle. Anything after that is basically fluff.

Can cardio help you burn fat? Sure if your diet is sub par and you need to help it out. Can you lose all the fat you want by just diet and weight training? Yep. I think you guys would be amazed at what a well planned diet and workout regimen could provide you given you executed it correctly. Cardio shouldn't be a crutch you rely on to get lean. I'd rather eat 300 less calories per day than to jump on some treadmill and run aimlessly like a hamster in a wheel.

If you like cardio then by all means do it, but don't do it because you think you have to in order to burn fat.

Here are some pics from last year. I think it's rather obvious from the before pics that I'm not an ectomorph with a gifted metabolism. I'll be 30 next month as well so I don't have youth to help me out either. Yet even with these 2 factors working against me I was able to make that transformation in a little over 3 months time without cardio. Unfortunately due to a new baby and job I wasn't able to get down to my goal, however I'm back at it this spring and will be as lean as I want to be. All without cardio. By the way I'm not claiming to be incredibly lean in the pics, but the difference in condition between the 2 time frames without cardio is what my point is.

well put

 

[Nelson Montana]

abc: I started hrt a year ago at age 48. (I've taken take two 2 week breaks in that time). I do not take GH. If you want to see a pictur of me before I took hrt go to www.nelsonmontana.com and go the the bottom of the gallery page. Age 43. No cardio.

Funkinshreded: EXACTLY! Do some 20 rep squats and then have people tell you need cardio!

Machine: You're contradicting yourself. Of course it's about genetics. But doing dumb aerobics won't change that fact. What works for one will work for all -- BUT -- it won't necessarily work as well. That's genetics.

 

[bbkingpin]

We all agree that cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach is good? SAYS WHO???

Cardio on an empty stomach is one of the most catabolic activities you can undertake. That was one of those hypothesis that someone at a magazine thought would make an interesting article and it's been parroted forever.

JoBu's last sentence is 100% correct. However the numbers are nonsense. There are far too many variables. Again, it's just one of those things that was assumed and everyone in the industry went along with it.

Try to realize; the body does not know what activity it's engaged in! When someone says THIS activity is better than THAT activity, it's patently absurd. The body only knows stress. How one responds to it varies from individual to individual.

You are wrong as far as I am concerned. I have gone hungry all morning and then done cardio around noon and I don't lose strengh or muscle as a result. I have found it to be the best way to lose my bodyfat fast. That's all I've got to say about that.

 

[DeepZenPill]

I was a coxswain for 4 years, and I needed to get to lower than 120lbs which involved me getting below 8% BF. A coxswain is the small guy who steers a shell in the sport of rowing BTW. I had a small frame so I wasn't exactly emaciated, just lean. I did cardio and dieted to drop weight, and since I had grown a bit in my last two years as a cox dropping weight involved much more cardio and hardcore dieting. Cardio consisted of an hour of 50-60% steady state rowing or biking. Now I would be dropping my weight from 140 to the mid 120's those two years and I would lose a TON of muscle in the process. It certainly wasn't the most the best way to lose fat and maintain muscle, but the goal was to lose total WEIGHT.

This year I am no longer a cox because of my size (gained 50lbs and some height in a year). But I am now cutting WITHOUT cardio relying solely on diet and weight training just to test it out. Guess what, I keep setting PR's and adding size to some body parts while the fat is melting off me. For years I thought I was the master of losing weight, and the idea of cutting without cardio seemed ridiculous to me. But I have learned if you lift intensely and cut your cals and you will NOT need traditional cardio. I think the two most beneficial exercises I've been using are 20 rep squats and 500 meter rowing pieces (which are 90% legs, like a squat into a bent row, only horizontally). I use those pieces as a replacement for sprints because my joints can't take running.

This is not to say that traditional cardio is useless, I love riding a bike on a beautiful day in the park, and it makes me feel great. But after trying to stay lean all winter on an exercise bike I couldn't stand that boredom anymore.

BTW, I'm 19, but I had to work hard to get lean, so it's just not my genetics or high metabolism of youth. Judging from my parents and my current body composition, my genetics make GAINING weight the only easy thing for me.

 

[poantrex]

Goddamn , Nelson annoys me to no end. Weight loss isn't the only cardio benefit, it also increases insulin sensitivity and is very beneficial to cardiovascular health.

Yeah, Mentzer didn't do cardio and what happened to him a couple of years ago?

Case closed

 

[variation]

what do you think of this?

wake up in the morning, drink protein powder in water, (a powder with very low to no fat and very low to no carbs)
have a vitamin C, now do your 30-40 mins cardio, monderate to low intensity jog (since fat metabolises best during this activity if I'm correct) and wouldn't doing it at that rate make your body more keen on using fat? especially since glycogen levels should be lower after hours of no consumption? also, you throw in the no carb, no fat protein drink, so that if your body needs to use amino acids it should use it from there instead of muscles? how does this sound? opinions? corrections?