Protein when on cycle

[Cardinal Slin]

Around 10 years ago and up to 5 years ago I would normally take 1gram of protein per KG of bodyweight directly post workout (hence when I was 110kgs I would consume 110grams of protein directly post workout in the form of a protein shake). The 110 included the milk.

I would also consume 50grams of protein for each meal of the day over 6 - 8 meals.

My question now is: As I am getting older and kidney problems exist in my family, I want to be very cautious about protein intake and more importantly substances that can be harmful to the kidneys but at the same time with my diet, I do not want to restrict myself from growing at the most important meal of the day - post cycle.

So are there any studies out there that how how much is beneficial and how much gets excreted if too much is taken?

How much protein does everyone consume directly post workout?

I am currently on 100grams but thinking about dropping this slightly?

 

[DSS]

I consume about 64 grams post workout. Two scoops of protein plus 16oz of milk.

 

[Burpees]

directly post work out, protein? pfft.. that's old school bro.. carbs post work out are the new hotness.. 2:1 (carbsrotein).

I take in 60g of Waxy Maize and 25-30 of Protein 15min post workout.. Then within the hour I take in 2-4 cups of Skim Milk.. an hour later I'm usually eating dinner, 50g of protein from fish or chicken or beef.. All my other meals at 40-50g of protein a day. I try to hit 350g of protein for the day - this includes my post wo shake, post-post milk.. I don't consume those extra calories on Sat/Sun since I don't work out.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

directly post work out, protein? pfft.. that's old school bro.. carbs post work out are the new hotness.. 2:1 (carbsrotein).

I take in 60g of Waxy Maize and 25-30 of Protein 15min post workout.. Then within the hour I take in 2-4 cups of Skim Milk.. an hour later I'm usually eating dinner, 50g of protein from fish or chicken or beef.. All my other meals at 40-50g of protein a day. I try to hit 350g of protein for the day - this includes my post wo shake, post-post milk.. I don't consume those extra calories on Sat/Sun since I don't work out.

must be old school. I have been out the game too long.

The only carbs I get post workout are probably the 20grams of sugar I get from my low fat milk.

Other than that, the only time I take carbs post workout is when I am using insulin.

Must look in to the carb thing as it makes perfect sense.

 

[perryscoon]

4 scoops before lunch (100g), 4 scoops after lunch(1 hour before the gym), and 4 scoops the second I get to my car after leaving the gym. Then a high protein meal for dinner and thats it.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

I do 60g waxy maize with 10g creatine mono (product called vitargo cgl) immediately following my workouts then 60g protein (2 scoops of pro complex with 10 oz milk so actually more than 60g when you count the milk) about 20-30 minutes right in the middle of the insulin spike. That's if I'm bulking, on cycle or not. I know I should probably use whey with water for faster absorption so I might change to that when I start bulking again soon.

 

[the elite addict]

if you are a body builder, protein should always be on the high side 200+ grams a day. On cycle or not.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

if you are a body builder, protein should always be on the high side 200+ grams a day. On cycle or not.

Yup. I'm cutting now but my protein per day is still around 240 and thats on only 2100 cals a day. When I'm bulking its in the 300-400 range.

 

[perryscoon]

if you are a body builder, protein should always be on the high side 200+ grams a day. On cycle or not.

+1

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Unfortunately 200 grams a day is all relative. That amount is not on the high side for someone who is 300lbs in weight but it is definitely adequate for someone who weighs in at under 200lbs.

My point or my question relates to that protein consumed directly post workout.

Thanks

 

[the elite addict]

Unfortunately 200 grams a day is all relative. That amount is not on the high side for someone who is 300lbs in weight but it is definitely adequate for someone who weighs in at under 200lbs.

My point or my question relates to that protein consumed directly post workout.

Thanks

I was speaking in general terms. 40-60 grams post workout is sufficent.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Cool - what the hell is waxy maize?

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

It is basically corn starch but from a special type of corn. It is a complex carb with an extremely high GI. It is absorbed directly through the stomach walls so it is very quick. This of course causes an insulin spike pulling creatine (if you take it with the WM) and protein (that you take 20 minutes later) into the muscles. As well as giving you a big pump. It also replenishes muscle glycogen very quickly post workout to get you out of a catabolic state.

 

[OMEGA]

Post Workout = Shake

then a Solid Meal about 1 hour after

 

[cuts82]

directly post work out, protein? pfft.. that's old school bro.. carbs post work out are the new hotness.. 2:1 (carbsrotein).

I take in 60g of Waxy Maize and 25-30 of Protein 15min post workout.. Then within the hour I take in 2-4 cups of Skim Milk.. an hour later I'm usually eating dinner, 50g of protein from fish or chicken or beef.. All my other meals at 40-50g of protein a day. I try to hit 350g of protein for the day - this includes my post wo shake, post-post milk.. I don't consume those extra calories on Sat/Sun since I don't work out.

Im with burpees on the postwork out carbs! same amount and everything although i take in 20 grams of eaa's with the waxy then 15mins later have a scoop of vp2 with water then eat again a hour later with real food ie. oats and chicken breast then every 2 hours after that till bed

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Thanks - how does waxy compare to dextrose in terms of absorption time?

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Thanks - how does waxy compare to dextrose in terms of absorption time?

Supposedly faster than dextrose and it doesn't cause stomach discomfort.

 

[Burpees]

I've used dex, and honey, I need too much of both to actually feel it - it feels bad/wrong. Two scoops of waxy and in 18 minutes I have a sugar rush..then it's time to shoot back my protein and creatine/glutamine..

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

I've used dex, and honey, I need too much of both to actually feel it - it feels bad/wrong. Two scoops of waxy and in 18 minutes I have a sugar rush..then it's time to shoot back my protein and creatine/glutamine..

You should actually take the creatine/glutamine with the waxy maize. That way as it fills your muscles up with glycogen and water it will literally pull the creatine (and I assume glutamine as well) into your muscles. Then you use the insulin (released because of the WM) 20 minutes later to store the protein.

 

[vne220]

Yup. I'm cutting now but my protein per day is still around 240 and thats on only 2100 cals a day. When I'm bulking its in the 300-400 range.

2100cals? Total caloric intake? Carbs and protein are 4cals/gm, fat is 9cals/gm. 240gms of protein is only 960cals.

 

[vne220]

"Originally Posted by mus1cjunk1e
Yup. I'm cutting now but my protein per day is still around 240 and thats on only 2100 cals a day. When I'm bulking its in the 300-400 range."



"2100cals? Total caloric intake? Carbs and protein are 4cals/gm, fat is 9cals/gm. 240gms of protein is only 960cals"


Nevermind....reread post and answered my own question. Need to drink more coffee before I start trying to answer posts

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

"Originally Posted by mus1cjunk1e
Yup. I'm cutting now but my protein per day is still around 240 and thats on only 2100 cals a day. When I'm bulking its in the 300-400 range."



"2100cals? Total caloric intake? Carbs and protein are 4cals/gm, fat is 9cals/gm. 240gms of protein is only 960cals"


Nevermind....reread post and answered my own question. Need to drink more coffee before I start trying to answer posts

Ya right now I'm taking in 242g protein, 144g carbs, 61g fat for 2112 cals a day.

Starting next week my cals are getting bumped up by 500cals a day each week til I hit my bulking cal total of 4500 cals a day. I can't wait to stop eating like a girl

 

[Burpees]

You should actually take the creatine/glutamine with the waxy maize. That way as it fills your muscles up with glycogen and water it will literally pull the creatine (and I assume glutamine as well) into your muscles. Then you use the insulin (released because of the WM) 20 minutes later to store the protein.

crap, ill try that next week.. I didn't bring my glutamine/creatine with me.. I usually leave the gym drinking my wm, then when I get home take my shake.. Good call, makes good sense.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Seems like most people only consume around 50 grams of protein post workout ! I thought it would be much higher.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

I think there is a limit to how much protein you can absorb at a given time. The rest just goes right through you. Even if I'm eating close to 400g a day I try to spread it out as much as possible, usually no more than 50-60g a meal. I don't think there is a set limit and I'm sure everyone is different, so you can't be sure how much your body can actually process, though I'm sure it goes up when you are on cycle.

 

[CrUsH1969]

I usually take in about 30-50 grams of protein right after workout via a shake. And then Have lunch about 30 mins later. which has a whole bunch of carbs via complex carbs and protiens from chicken or fish.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

I think there is a limit to how much protein you can absorb at a given time. The rest just goes right through you. Even if I'm eating close to 400g a day I try to spread it out as much as possible, usually no more than 50-60g a meal. I don't think there is a set limit and I'm sure everyone is different, so you can't be sure how much your body can actually process, though I'm sure it goes up when you are on cycle.

I definitely agree with you on the limit but post workout is the most important time of the day for protein and I just thought it would be a lot higher than 50grams for most people, especially when on cycle.

Learned something new

 

[Burpees]

I think it's not about processing limit so much as it is about molecular weight, i read about it a while back.. I need to find the article.. But they explained post work out nutrition like musicjunkie did.. there is only so much protein 140g of wms will carry feel me?

personally I like to keep my intake stable all day, i total in everything at the end of the day.. weekends im lower on cals because there is not pre-wo meal or post workout mean, or post-post meal.. that just ends up being one meal on my days off.

 

[cobracock1979]

I go for 6og waxy + 60g isolate + 10g l-glut + 10g BCAA, with water. I was considering waiting for 20 mins to hit the Insulin spike - have any of you guys noticed real benefits from this?

 

[needtogetarmy]

The body can only absorb so much protein in a meal. That is why it is good to eat small meals throughout the day. I hit 50g for each meal.

Post-workout your body may need more though but I have always sticked with 50g and I also throw a banana in my shake for the cards (it is old school but it works for me). Carbs are just as important post-workout as protein.

You can consume all the protein in the world but if you do not include carbs your body will not grow. Growth during a bulker is the #1 priority so a diet with protein with the appropriate amount of carbs is 100% necessary.

People emphasize protein a bit too much. A well-balance diet is a must. Do not neglect the carbs and healthy fats otherwise all that work will be counterproductive.

 

[cobracock1979]

Vet,

Gotta disagree, I just been on a keto cycle and grew a lot - my protein levels were sky high tho.

I think a carb cycle worked best for me on a lean bulk - 0,0,low,high

 

[perryscoon]

The body can only absorb so much protein in a meal. That is why it is good to eat small meals throughout the day. I hit 50g for each meal.

Post-workout your body may need more though but I have always sticked with 50g and I also throw a banana in my shake for the cards (it is old school but it works for me). Carbs are just as important post-workout as protein.

You can consume all the protein in the world but if you do not include carbs your body will not grow. Growth during a bulker is the #1 priority so a diet with protein with the appropriate amount of carbs is 100% necessary.

People emphasize protein a bit too much. A well-balance diet is a must. Do not neglect the carbs and healthy fats otherwise all that work will be counterproductive.

So, that being said, how many carbs do you suggest one needs on cycle per day?

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

So, that being said, how many carbs do you suggest one needs on cycle per day?

I usually shoot for about 350g protein a day, ~100g good fat (with a little bad fat thrown in sometimes), and the rest of my cals from carbs. For a 4000 cal diet that would be about 500g carbs, but you just gotta do the math.

I feel for growth there is a point of diminishing returns as far as protein intake goes. Unless of course you are going keto and you need the protein to get your cals in. Then its about cals not how much protein you are synthesizing into muscle. But to be honest I'm still learning all this diet stuff. These are just my current views based on what I know so far. All knowledge is subject to change

 

[sugashane]

Seems like most people only consume around 50 grams of protein post workout ! I thought it would be much higher.

I have taken in more in the past, but I don't think a person's body (if unassisted) can handle a lot more than that at once. After so much is used, the rest flushed away. I constntly have something with protein with me to just nibble on though.

I do miss having an excuse to just stuff my face after working out.

 

[misticat]

interesting... I usually slam an isopure rtd zero carb (40g of protein) with orange juice...

so whats the timing with Waxy Maize? right after your workout...

Waxy Maize, creatine, glutamine and purple wrath aminoes?

then 20 minutes later 50g of protein?

is that about right?

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

interesting... I usually slam an isopure rtd zero carb (40g of protein) with orange juice...

so whats the timing with Waxy Maize? right after your workout...

Waxy Maize, creatine, glutamine and purple wrath aminoes?

then 20 minutes later 50g of protein?

is that about right?

Yup

 

[misticat]

Yup

nice will give that a shot when i run out of my cell mass.. thanks