protein needs fat to be digested?

[Ulter]

You have enough insulin in a FASTING state for protein synthesis. The body actually requires very little insulin for this.
There is no one on the planet that can answer your last question. If they could they'd win a Nobel Prize. No one knows what actually causes insulin resistance. They only know what the results are when it happens.
You may become insulin resistant through poor diet and no exercise but you may not. An indian from the subcontinent for instance only needs to gain 5 pounds of excess weight and they will become insulin resistant. While a European will gain 100 extra pounds and not become insulin resistant even if they both do so eating the same food. So it's not "weight" related and not necessarily carb related. So the answer is no you can't make one cell insulin resistant while unaffecting the other.
People don't eat carbs at night because they won't be burning them for many hours and while they are present your body will be producing insulin. If insulin is present your body stops burning fat. So if you eat carbs at night they will likely become fat while you sleep.
faller makes a great point about you taking protein away from your muscle growth potential if you convert it to glucose, so eat some carbs. But just as important is the fact that if you train you burn fat in the fire of the carbs you eat. So it's important to have carbs while training if you want to train well and burn more fat.
Also, your brain is happier.

 

[Ulter]

BTW that's the whole purpose of Glucorell R

 

[biogeared]

You have enough insulin in a FASTING state for protein synthesis. The body actually requires very little insulin for this.
There is no one on the planet that can answer your last question. If they could they'd win a Nobel Prize. No one knows what actually causes insulin resistance. They only know what the results are when it happens.
You may become insulin resistant through poor diet and no exercise but you may not. An indian from the subcontinent for instance only needs to gain 5 pounds of excess weight and they will become insulin resistant. While a European will gain 100 extra pounds and not become insulin resistant even if they both do so eating the same food. So it's not "weight" related and not necessarily carb related. So the answer is no you can't make one cell insulin resistant while unaffecting the other.
People don't eat carbs at night because they won't be burning them for many hours and while they are present your body will be producing insulin. If insulin is present your body stops burning fat. So if you eat carbs at night they will likely become fat while you sleep.
faller makes a great point about you taking protein away from your muscle growth potential if you convert it to glucose, so eat some carbs. But just as important is the fact that if you train you burn fat in the fire of the carbs you eat. So it's important to have carbs while training if you want to train well and burn more fat.
Also, your brain is happier.

 

[sirbadass]

ulter, you and faller are geniuses. obviously, i have much to learn.

i understand your statement about eating carbs at night. that seems like common sense. however, i don't understand why you state that it is beneficial to eat some carbs while training (with the goal of losing body fat). i used to drink gatorade while training (14g sucrose), but stopped recently as my immediate short-term goal is to lose some visceral fat before bulking again. i assumed that if i drank some sugar while training it would boost my energy levels, but my body would be burning the available glucose instead of body fat. is my logic flawed?

thanks for any help.

 

[faller]

I've heard a variety of arguments on fat burning while training. Personally, I think that if you are lifting, that is NOT the time for fat burning. With cardio or HIIT, I could go either way. If I had to pick, I'd say stick with the gatoraide and have a productive workout. If you do cardio for 45 min, you will burn a tiny bit of fat at best, so why worry about it? I would use the remaing 23 hours of the day for that.

 

[ProtienFiend]

sucrose (ie.. table sugar) isnt a bad choice... but fructose is the best choice as a pre workout carb.

the thing is, you want to refill liver glycogen as that helps burn fat... fructose refills the liver directly... sucrose is a combination of glucose and fructose, so yes it refills the liver, but it also spikes insulin, which is something you dont want pre/during a workout...

 

[sirbadass]

faller, you may have changed my mind. however, i still (maybe i'm just stubborn) don't understand why it's not better (for fat burning only) to use a person's body fat for energy while training when the metabolically active cells in a person's muscles are at the peak of their demand for energy? on the other hand, i do agree with your statement. i am just stuggling to get this through my brain. is there some sense to my logic or am i just being stubborn?

proteinfiend, thanks for the info. i will look for something that contains fructose to replace the gatorade. i know a lot of fruit juices found at the supermarket are supplemented with sugar. any recommendations? what about Glucorell R?

I should also mention that lately i have been using biotest's surge as a post-workout recovery drink. it contains 50g sugar and 25g whey protein. 1 hour after this i consume a high protein meal with a serving of carbs (like a small potato or half cup of brown rice). surge is rather expensive (~$5/serving) so i am planning to substitute this with my own combination of wholesale dextrose and whey protein. does this sound reasonable?

this forum is great. i don't know why more people don't spend time here. it seems to me diet can make or break a person's progress.

 

[ProtienFiend]

i was thinking more along the lines of an apple... or pear... possibly a peach?? check a GI reference table if you have any doubts... but fruit is typically a good source of fructose

to answer you question directed at faller... you can just use body FAT for the energy... but you will also use body MUSCLE for energy.... thus my reccommendation of fructose directly before a workout and maybe some sort of protein (tuna) 1-2hrs before...

and a lot of people do spend time here... the anabolic board alone broke 1 million posts recently

 

[sirbadass]

ProtienFiend, what a coincidence. an apple and a can of tuna is exactly what I have been eating 1 hr pre-workout for at least a year now. it's been working ok. i definitely do not want to burn muscle while training. what is the reason that some muscle gets burned as opposed to just adipose tissue? i mean, fat breaks down easily back into glucose, that's the point. i suppose it goes back to distinguishing b/w insulin resistance in fat and muscle cells?

i should have said "why don't people spend more time in the diet forum" i know a lot of people spend time in the anabolic forum, that was my point i guess. thanks for illustrating it so well

 

[ProtienFiend]

fat doesnt actually break down into glucose.... there is another mechanism by how it gives energy...

depending on your intensity.... fat, muscle or glycogen will be burned... its hard to use ONLY one of them thus why it is usually all three... you can minimize muscle loss by having some free aminos present in your body before lifting....