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Proper steroid free training

Realgains

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Okay...I am bound to get a few flames but I am going for it none the less.

It is very important to learn how to train properly WITHOUT steroids. One reason so many people quit training altogether is because they do not know how to make progress in training. Some will quit and a few will turn to steroids for the answer.

First of all you need to STOP reading those glossy Bodybuilding magazines, or at least just limit things to picture looking. The routines in thses magazines are not good advice for the VAST MAJORITY of people. The people advocating these routines are genetically blessed and believe me the vast majority of trainees are not. Also, most are on some form of steroid or GH and as such their recuperative systems are miles ahead of a natural trainee. Most of us are aware of this I think but few really understand how important this is.

Training for the vast majority needs to be, basic, BRIEF, intense and INFREQUENT , especially while training natural. THIS IS CRITICAL!!!! Train like the majority do in the magazines and you WILL GO NOWHERE.

The training focus MUST be on adding small to tiny amounts of weight to the bars weekly or at least every other week. One has to train very hard as well with a good deal of intensity but the focus must always be on adding weight to the bars progressively.
www.fractionalplates.com


Training should be cyclic..in the early stages of a training cycle one is not pushing all out. So you start with weights that you can handle fairly easily for the rep range you have chosen. As the weeks pass you add more and more weight to the bars. Initially the weights added will be quite large, like 10 pounds per week on the squat and 5 pounds on the bench. Focus upon A#1 form at this time of course. When the going gets tough the weight incrememnts get smaller and smaller until you are only increasing the weights by 2 pounds per week on the squat and deadlift and 1 pound per week on the bench and less for smaller exercises.
www.fractionalplates.com

I have all the tiny plates including .25 pounders.
I like to tie .5-1 pounders to weight stacks with a piece of velcro.
When the going gets tough those 2.5 pounders you see at gyms feel like a ton and are too much to be adding at one time each week.

When you find that you cannot add weight to the bar for three weeks in a row then you can do one of two things....you can either stop the training cycle and take a break or you can let the reps drop to sets of 5 for the upper body and sets of 8 for the lower. You could drop the reps further and train purely for power as well.
Once further weight progress cannot be had then take 10 days off from training. Then come back but start with about 85% of your previous best for reps and slowly build up to and oast your previous best. YOU CAANOT PUSH ON AND ON IN A LINEAR FASHION even while on steroids as the body will not tolerate this. Some down time and time with less intense training is needed for better long term gains.

REP RANGE......generally for the developement of strength and mass one needs to use reps between 6-10 for the upper body and 10-15 for the lower. Some do very well with sets of 5 all round as well. When you go below 5 you are training for pure power and this can be done too in a cycle after a base of sets of 5 or so are done.
I find that most people do best when training for strength and mass when they do sets of 6-8 for pressing movements and 8-10 for pulling movements and sets of 10-15 for lower body. Some experimentation is needed here as everyone is a little different.

REST BETWEEN SETS...generally I would recommend rest periods of between 90 seconds to 4 minutes between sets depending upon the exercise done. Rest time needs to be more between sets of squats and deadlifts.
Occasionally each year it would be a good idea to use heavier weights and do sets of 5 with long rests between sets , like 3-5 minutes. This will help your power and be a nice change of pace.

WARM UPS....you need to do a general warm up, like running on the tread mill for a few minutes. You then should do warm up sets but don't get carried away here. Warm ups are just what they say...warm ups.... and do not tax yourself with them. Save you effort for the working sets.
You really only need to warm up the first exercise for each body part while training. Here is an example...lets say you are going to do your heavy sets of squats with 200 pounds. The first set should be an easy 10 with the bar. Do them slowly and strictly. The second set could be with with say 95 pounds for a slow strict 5-6 reps. The do another set with 135 for 3 and then MAYBE a single after that with 185. Now you are ready for you heavy work set with 200 pounds for 10 reps.
Second exercises for the same muscle group do not usually need warm up sets.
For a set of curls a single set of 5 may be enough of a warm up. The whole point here is to warm up but not drain your strength and energy.

CHOICE OF EXERCISES

Try to stick with big bnasic multi joint movements. These "compound exercises" are by far the best for building mass and strength...or even tone for that matter. If you insist on doing isolation work then it is best to do them BEFORE a compound movement so as to pre-fatigue the target muscle group a bit.....ie : laterals before overhead presses....the laterals directly fatigue the deltoids and then the free triceps in the overhead press will push the shoulder hard.

INTENSITY
You need to train very hard(most do not) BUT don't get carried away with intensity especailly while natural. Generally speaking taking a set to the point where another rep isn't possible and if you attempted it the you would likely get stuck(concentric failure) is enough intensity. This is too much in the first couple weeks of a cycle though.
The very occasional forced rep may be okay for some.
Rest pause reps can be done from time to time...that is...after finishing the sets with the very last good rep your can do then put the weight down and rest for 5-10 seconds...then pick it up and do another rep oor two. This is done twice. This is especially good with calves.
Partial reps done after doing to failure can be done and are especailly good with calves and rows.

CARDIO.....do no more than 3 -30 minute sessions per week while trying to gain mass and strength

ROUTINE #1.. Training without steroids for the VAST MAJORITY

MONDAY

1. Hammer bench press or regular bench press. 2-3 warm ups and then 2-3 sets of 6-8 reps. Dips with a medium grip with elbows flairing out somewhat are also a very good chest movement and are considered by many to be the upper body squat.

** In the bench... lower the weight to your LOWER chest/STERNUM with your elbows going back at about a 45 degree angle. Keep your lats flexed and shoulder blades pulled tightly togther at the back. Lower the bar fairly slowly and then once the bar touches the lower chest(below nipple line) then quickly reverse the movement without a bounce. Before lowering fill your lungs up with a big bulp of air and hold it..you blow it out as you pass the sticking point on the way up with the bar. The first few inches of the lift are verticle and then the bar should be pushed back toward the head and UP. Be sure the elbows follow the hands directly under the bar. The bar should end up above your chin or even the eyes with some people.
Use a grip width that puts your elbows at right angles when the bar is at the chest...this is a good grip to start with.
Keep both feet flat on the floor when benching and do not excessively arch the low back. The low back can have a slight arch but keep the butt on the bench. Some drive hard from the legs and feet but be careful as this is very hard on the backs of some. The bodybuilder doesn't need to do this at all....leave that for the power lifter going for a record single.
The bench is a highly technical lift and good instruction is needed.


For many it may be best to scip the bench and use the Hammer bench press as it is easy to use and effective.

Thats it for chest....what you say...that can't be enough!! Well it is more than enough IF you train hard.

2. Pulldowns with a shoulder width barbell curling type grip. GET SOME STRAPS. Do 2 sets of 8-10 after 1 warm up of 6
3. Some form of rowing ..hammer is good. 1 set of 10. Arch the back and hold the weight in the fully contracted position for a split second with all upper back work, especially rows.
4. Over head press to the front seated with barbell or some kind of machine press. 2 sets of 8 after 1 war up. Over head pressing works the entire shoulder complex hard.
5. Barbell curls 2 sets of 8.. no warm up needed
6 Hammer dips, or another machine dip OR close grip bench press with hands about 15 inches apart for 2 sets of 8 after 1 warm up.
With the tricep dip and close grip bench keep your elbows close to the body...don't let them flair out much. This elbows in and back technique really works the triceps hard. The dip and close grip bench are BY FAR the best tricep exercises.

NOTE: Be very careful with dips too not go too deep. A decent stretch is needed but don't drop too low or you will have rotator cuff issues to deal with in time.

DONE>>>>now go home and eat and rest.

THURSDAY

1. Squats ...3 warm ups and then 2 work sest of 10-15.
Squat deep and that means to the point where your upper thighs are parallel to the floor at least. Do not bounce! Drive up with the flats of the feet and not the balls of the foot.

Stance should be a little more than shoulder width for most. Experiment a bit. If you have long legs then a wider stance is needed. Point toes outwar 20-30 degrees.
These are BODYBUILDING squats and NOT power squats so the bar is on the traps and not on the rear deltoid. Try to stay as upright as possible but some forward lean is needed for sure. Before you lower take a very deep breath and hold it...you blow it out as you pass the sticking point on the way up with the bar.
NEVER NEVER NEVER squat with heels elevated as this reduces their overall effectiveness and it is hard on the knees.
If you cannot squat without excessive forward lean then get flexible in the ankles/calves.
*A few simple cannot squat due to bad biomechanics. These few should do deep leg presses (hammer is great

2. Stiff leg deadlifts 1 warm up and then 1 set of 10-12. **Use straps for sure. Keep back flat and go down only to mid shin and NO FURTHER or you will screw up your back when the going gets tough. Slight knee bend is best. The movement starts with a pivot at the hip and butt going straight back. keep the bar close to the legs all the time. Breathing is per the squat.
After getting used to this exercise you will be using very heavy weights and almost as much as you squat for reps! YES!

The squat and SLDL will do more for putting strength and size on your body than all the other stuff combined. So do them right and do them hard. Sadly very very few do this.

3. 1 set of hyperextensions with weight

4.Shrugs 1 set of 10 plus partials at the need.

5. Some kind of calf raise for 3 sets of 10-15 HARD

6. Abb work for 3-4 sets hard.

WHAT NO LEG CURLS, LUNGES AND LEG EXTESION!! YEP...the squat hits the entire hip/butt and quad region very well, the SLDL is by FAR the best ham developer not to mention a great low back builder.

I know a lot of oyu are looking at this routine and shaking your head say that it simple isn't enough...It will work very well for you IF you work hard and focus on progressive poundages.

You can split the above routine into three workouts and train three days per week if you like but 2 training days is best for most people.

Some can train three days per week with a more volume but not very many can do this while training very hard without juice.

ALTERNATIVE NATURAL ROUTINE for those that insist on doing isolation work and more volume. I believe that most will do better training 2 days per week as above though.

MONDAY

1. Hammer inclines or some kind of incline press at 30 dregrees 2 sets
2. Hammer declines of some kind of decline press for 2 sets

3. Toe press 3 sets
4. Lying tricep extension for 1 working set
5. Machine dips or close grip bench for 2 sets
6. Abbs

WEDNESDAY

1. Squats 2 working sets
2.leg extensions 1 set
3. leg press deep 1 set
4. Leg curl 1 set
5. SLDL 1 set
6. hypers 1 set

FRIDAY

1. Pulldowns 2 sets
2. Rows 2 sets
3. Shrugs 2 sets
4. Laterals 2 sets
5. Overhead press seated 2 sets
6.Curls 2 sets


If you learn to train properly without steroids and then add small doses of steroids you will grow like crazy but steroids are not needed for decent progress IF you train right.

If you use steroids you MAY be able to do a little more volume than the above without over training, but I stll highly recommend that you train no more often than three days per week.


Hope this helps some people...and don't forget to eat and slepp well.....***LADIES**** you cannot be an aerobic machine and expect to gain much strength or shape/size while lifting so limit the cardio.

The following web site is good for 95% of you while training naturally. www.hardgainer.com


RG










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thanks for sharing this with us, I found it really interesting and I learned a lot from your insights.

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RG -- you are wonderful for taking the time to post this -- not only the content but the detail involved.

I miss reading your posts -- and while I know you are pressed for time, I for one appreciate your words.
 
Now why would you get flamed? Very good read.

I'm doing something a little different - training primarily for power (3-5 rep range for multi-joint movements, 6-10 reps for isolation) and my split is upper, lower, rest, upper, upper isolation/volume, rest, upper, lower, rest...

I only do one exercise per bodypart and rotate between 2-3 exercises, doing a different one each workout. The upper volume day (this is the new thing I'm testing) will be one upper body part, not trained the previous day, and I'll do two exercises using 10 sets of 3 each with 1 minute rest intervals. It's a theory my PL friend and I are testing (on me) about hypertrophy. He believes growth occurs on the hard, intense reps of a set. So, if you're doing a set of 10, the last three hard reps are the ones you'll hypertrophy from. So why not do 10 sets of 3 intense, heavy, hard reps than 3 sets of 10? Just a theory...

I totally agree on incrementing your weight; I'd just been limited by what was available at my gym. Thank you so much for posting the link for franctional weights. :-)
 
Best growth comes from sets of 5 reps or more. Sets of three will give growth of course but more power than growth.
10 sets of 3 is quite a load if you are going hard and too much for most natural trainees.

When training with heavy weights in good form in the basic compound movements you don't need, and should not do, very much isolaltion work. ie:>>If you are looking to do assistance work for the bench then do some close grip benches or elbows in dips.

Isolation work is given FAR TOO much credit and actually does next to nothing for mass/strength and in not a few it just robs recuperative powers and hiners gains.

RG





JJFigure said:
Now why would you get flamed? Very good read.

I'm doing something a little different - training primarily for power (3-5 rep range for multi-joint movements, 6-10 reps for isolation) and my split is upper, lower, rest, upper, upper isolation/volume, rest, upper, lower, rest...

I only do one exercise per bodypart and rotate between 2-3 exercises, doing a different one each workout. The upper volume day (this is the new thing I'm testing) will be one upper body part, not trained the previous day, and I'll do two exercises using 10 sets of 3 each with 1 minute rest intervals. It's a theory my PL friend and I are testing (on me) about hypertrophy. He believes growth occurs on the hard, intense reps of a set. So, if you're doing a set of 10, the last three hard reps are the ones you'll hypertrophy from. So why not do 10 sets of 3 intense, heavy, hard reps than 3 sets of 10? Just a theory...

I totally agree on incrementing your weight; I'd just been limited by what was available at my gym. Thank you so much for posting the link for franctional weights. :-)
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Yeah, I've dropped most of my isolation work - the compound movements just take too much out of me and I just haven't felt isolation work makes any real difference. Still do dips, though - weighted ones. :-) And a little lower back and abs/hip flexors - those I do in a higher rep range.
 
Excellent sticky material. Thanks RG


I would like to mention a work out program also based on a loading and rep scheme. I have been using it for about 10-12 weeks now. There is a website devoted to it. An important part of it is the deconditioning phase where you take off from the gym for at least 9 days. Strategic Deconditioning. It is also based on a 3 day a week wo.

www.hypertrophy-specific training.com

I have made some very nice gains from this as have other folks.


Great points RG made about limiting wo days as well as getting off the darn cardio machines!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad your back we did miss you-valerie
 
JJFigure said:
Yeah, I've dropped most of my isolation work - the compound movements just take too much out of me and I just haven't felt isolation work makes any real difference. Still do dips, though - weighted ones. :-) And a little lower back and abs/hip flexors - those I do in a higher rep range.

Dips are a great compound movement . Done with elbows flaired out and a medium/narrow grip they are probably the best all round upper body exercise and definately the best all round chest developer. In fact this was considered the upper body squat years ago.
Done with elbows near the sides and a narrow grip they are a very good tricep builder indeed.
I just came back from the gym were I did a couple of very heavy strict sets of dips tricep style in the excellent hammer dip machine...great exercise and my favorite tricep movement.

A very very large powerlifter/bodybuilder first showed me how to dip over 20 years ago. I can still see the huge amount of weight he had hanging around his waist with a dipping belt and large chain. The guy was huge and especially in the triceps and all he ever did for the tri's and chest were very heavy benches, dips (tricep and chest style) and close grip benches. He told me that dips are the best exercise one can do for the chest and the triceps and I have to say he is correct.
I think there should be another lift in power lifting and thats the weighed dip. I think it would be cool to see hundreds of pounds hanging from hips and dipped in perfect form..he he he

The dip isn't as technical as the bench and some that cannot bench well can really pack on the size and power with dips!


I always include some hyperextensions for the low back after heavy deadlifts be they regular of stiff leg style. It is, however, a big mistake to omit theses deadlifting forms from ones training.

Abb work...for sure and I like them weighted for no more than 15 reps a set.

I don't think one needs the hip flexor stuff unless you are referring to reverse crunches. The squat works all the hip flexors very well.

RG
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Weighted dips as a new powerlifting lift - that would be pretty interesting to see. You've got my vote!
 
Hey RG - nice to see you around again. Thanks for the post. It looks great, and as soon as I can mentally get past doing just one or two moves for each part, I intend to try it. (And after I try WSB). I love lifting so much, I feel deprived if I have to cut it back. Maybe silly, but true. Here's a question, though. How come, on the days I only go to the point where I know I won't get another rep, or I try the next rep and fail, how come I go home feeling like I just had a stroll in the park? It just doesn't feel intense enough ...

Also, what about DL's? SLDL's are enough? Or do you just change the variations up with each cycle?
 
SteelWeaver said:
Hey RG - nice to see you around again. Thanks for the post. It looks great, and as soon as I can mentally get past doing just one or two moves for each part, I intend to try it. (And after I try WSB). I love lifting so much, I feel deprived if I have to cut it back. Maybe silly, but true. Here's a question, though. How come, on the days I only go to the point where I know I won't get another rep, or I try the next rep and fail, how come I go home feeling like I just had a stroll in the park? It just doesn't feel intense enough ...

Also, what about DL's? SLDL's are enough? Or do you just change the variations up with each cycle?


A lot of natural trainees cannot train to true concentric failure(the point were one gets stuck and fights like hell for a few seconds) on a routine basis without over training. If you want to go to true concentric failure all of the time then go ahead and try....if your weights are moving up then you are recovering.

Sometimes one gets stuck in a set and doesn't make the target reps and thats just fine and thats training to concentric failure... just don't add weight to the bar the next week....other times one just barely makes the target reps and thats fine too and quite intense really especially in the squat.

If you want intense training and think you can recover well then try the rest pause reps as per above, or the occasional forced reps or try to train to failure all the time once the initial break in weeks are over in a training cycle.

Remember the most important thing in training is weight progression and not the feeling of being hammer from a workout. I am not saying this to down play intensity but intensity has to be put in proper perspective.
If your weights are going up you will be getting stronger and bigger and the intensty is enough.

As far as the low volume and few exercises are concerned....

when you can bench 225 pounds very strictly then you are going to have big triceps, chest and shoulders for a lady...when you can deep high bar squat 300 pounds then your your entire upper leg will be developed well....when you can stiff leg deadlift 250 pounds 10 times in good form then you are going to have great hams and low back not to mention upper mid back and traps....when you can overhead press 175 pounds for 8 reps then you will have complete shoulder and tricep developement...when you can do pulldowns with 200 pounds strictly, slowly and fully then you will have big lats and biceps ... My point is you DO NOT need a lot of exercises and or sets to make great progress and in fact high volume is a death sentence for most natural trainee.

About the deadlifts...I perfer stiff leg deads and think they are a little better overall than regular deads but do the regular deads instead of SLDL for at least one training cycle each year as they are great for PURE BODILY POWER developement.
Best of luck

RG




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I really appreciate this post! I like the compound moves the best and have trained that way for a few months. As a mom, I like the fact that they are more time efficient than all the isolation stuff, makes workout time shorter and more productive. But, lately I've been doing too much cardio. I always thought that if you have that piece of cheesecake, then you ought to do an hour on the elliptical... [we had two Christmases here: a Ukrainian Christmas too...]
cheers!
 
These really are some great ideas for all of us to consider. Things are much clearer for me now. I have lowered my volume and days per training for the last 3 months and really am finally making the gains. -valerie
 
great information!!! I made use of the 1lb & 3lb velcro wraps I had ... great suggestion for adding small amounts of weight.
 
My brother in law is a national level power lifter and he has just added 15 pounds to his already UNREAL bench of 535 in a single training cycle of 12 weeks using MICRO LOADING. This is GREAT progress for someone that is so very close to his genetic limit.

He told me that during the last weeks of his last training cycle he added only .5 pounds per week to the bench and close grip bench for reps but that this allowed for gains that he would never have been able to get with fewer but larger increases .

Micro loading is very important once the going gets tough and especially for women who simple cannot gain at the rate of genetically gifted male.

It is said that trying to add a single rep to a set of 5 all out reps in the bench is equivant to adding 5 pounds to the bar and keeping the reps at 5...this is not possible for the vast majority of lifters once training all out. SO....adding tiny amounts of weight and keeping the reps at 5 seems to trick the body into adaptation by allowing for steady progressive overload on the muscles....at a level that the body can cope with.


www.fractionalplates.com


RG
 
circusgirl said:
Are you the author of Beyond Brawn by any chance? This book had similar advice.


No ....BUT I know of that book and it is VERY GOOD for people that want the most in strength and muscle as a natural trainee.

here is the web site www.hardgainer.com

Don't let the title "hardgainer" fool you....I would say that at least 90% of trainees not on roids fall under the "hardgainer" banner....that is, almost everyone is genetically typical and average.
RG:)
 
Hey, GREAT post. I followed you advice that you gave me in PM. I bought one of Mentzers books (his last one) and it really opened my eyes. Then I commited a sin! I picked up an issue of Flex, and my mind was racing one what was right or wrong for 2 or 3 weeks! I missed out on a lot of progress during that time. But I'm happy to say I am back on track, and follow your routine. I LOVE it. I will stay away from the magazines, and most training boards from now on. It just leads to confusion.

I have a couple of questions though... I am currently on, and for chest I was wondering if could do 1 or 2 work sets of incline press, and then 1 working set of dips. For 3 sets total. I don't feel I get anything out of regular bench, and have gotten way better results with pec growth once I started doing weighted dips. I make progress really easy on them as well. I am already up to doing them with 90lbs around my waist. I could never make such progress with bench, but incline is a different story. Could I do both incline and dips? Or too much?

Besides that, everythings great. I was able to get to 255lbs top weight with volume training, but after a while, I just couldn't go anymore. I started feeling too tired, too fatigued. I feel this will take me to the next level. :) Thanks again Realgains for debunking myths and bringing some logic to the table.
 
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Steroids make a difference so yes you can safely do Inclines and dips. On roids 4-6 all out work sets per body part is normally just fine....in fact this is the volume that Mentzer himself used in his Hay day.

RG:)
 
Well, i haven't gone with this program 100%, but i have met it almost half way for now. I have cut out most isolation moves. I still work out four days/wk...2 on, 1 of, 2 on, 2 off.

I've been doing this for almost a month.
3 work sets each.

Workout 1) Chest/tri's - Incline Bench, Weighted Dips, Close Grip Bench.

Workout 2) Back/Bi's - Bent Rows, Pull Downs, Straight Bar Curls.

Workout 3) Shoulders/Calves - Military Press, Upright rows, standing Calf Raises.

Workout 4) Legs - Squats, Straight Leg Deads.

Now that i look at this, i haven't really come close, but i have cut way down. When i hit a plateau, i will cut it down again to see what happens.

My bi's and tri's never get sore though. My weights are increasing. Feeling good. Up to 55lbs on the dips. I may switch the dips with close grip bench, from time to time instead of doing both. My lats went flat when i stoped doing pull downs, so i put them back in.

What do you guys think about this?


T Bone
 
Looks good ....but I bet you would do even better working out just Mon-Wed and Fri.

The most important thing is this......weights going up on routine basis in small to tiny jumps.

Now on roids you can train a lot more often and with more sets BUT NOT while natural...at least not the vast majority of trainees.

RG
 
Thanks. If i do a three day schedule, it will probably look like this.

Workout 1) Back/Bi's - Bent Rows or Deads, Pull Downs, Straight Bar Curls.

Workout 2) Chest/tri's/shoulders - Incline Bench, Military Press, Weighted Dips or Close Grip Bench.

Workout 3) Legs - Squats, Straight Leg Deads, Calf Raises.


T Bone
 
Realgains said:
Steroids make a difference so yes you can safely do Inclines and dips. On roids 4-6 all out work sets per body part is normally just fine....in fact this is the volume that Mentzer himself used in his Hay day.

RG:)
Boy Real Gains, you are giving your age away. Mike Mentzer takes me back to at least 12-15 years ago. Great training info. Good stuff to see here. Alot of people really over do it and for what? Not for longevity that's for sure.

Msboss
 
msboss said:
Boy Real Gains, you are giving your age away. Mike Mentzer takes me back to at least 12-15 years ago. Great training info. Good stuff to see here. Alot of people really over do it and for what? Not for longevity that's for sure.

Msboss

Thanks.

The fact of the matter is this.......VERY VERY few people know how to train for reults without steroids. This is the main reason why recreational lifters turn to roids in the first place..they simply cannot make any decent gains on their high volume low intensity and 5-6 days in the gym using weights. You can blame the popular bodybuilding magazines for that as there is next to ZERO real advice for the non steroid using genetically typical person. Joe Weider and company sure the hell don't have a clue how to train the non steroid user unless they are perhaps genetic freaks.


RG

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Realgains I haven't seen you post in so long. Theres been a few posts where your voice of reason was sorely missed. There was once recently about high doses, and doubling your dose will double your gains. I also think some recommended newbies start off at 750-1,000mg a week!

I don't know if you've been to the training board, but training the body 2-3 times a week has lately come into trend. :(

It's just good to see a voice of reason once more. :D
 
Gee thanks for the kind words...blushing....

The big doses of gear are need to reach a level of developement that is WAY above your natural max. I indeed needed to do quite a bit of gear to hold my weight at a leanish 245 at 5'10"...felt like shit with this weight and gear though. I feel better at a lean 225-230 now. And I guess I am a lucky one as I can easily hold a lean 215 without any gear at all...and my gear days are almost over even though I have been a quite modest infrequent user.


BUT......these so called gurus that spew the heavy dose shit simply do not know how to train and that is why most of then turned to roids in the first place...they couldn't make any gains without steroids because they chronically over train with their high volume, low intensity, frequent gym visits. If you take enough gear you can train any way you want and make good gains. FACTOID.....most of these guys NEVER go off steroids or if they do it is only for a few months a year!!

I would like to put a few of these guys through just 3 heavy intense sets of squats for 10-15 reps and then see if they want to do more quad work!

The fact of the matter is this... most people on the boards are not even at their natural maximum potential so they DO NOT need large doses of gear to make great gains IF they train right and have "all their ducks in a row"(diet, rest etc) Why take more gear than you need ass it is a waste of maney at the least and causes worse sides at the most.

If one trains like I recommend in this sticky post....training no more than 3 days per week on a three way split with perhaps shorts periods of time training every other day then even 400mg of test per week will cause a man to grow like crazy as this is FOUR TIMES his normal T output. It isn't rocket science! Women would grow like crazy on as little as 10mg per week of the mild androgen anavar or 50-75 mg/week of a mild injectable like primo or winny.

Double your dose and double your results ?...THATS ABSOLUTE BS!! The body can only grow so fast. Leave the big doses for those that are above their natural max weight/developement and the really big doses for the highly competitive like Quadsweep.

BTW....although Quad is at least 50 pounds above his natural max his doses are quite modest...WHY??....because he knows how to train!


RG
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BEST EXERCISES FOR EACH MUSCLE GROUP
AND machines vs free weights

Generally speaking well designed machines such as hammer are a little better than free weights in working the target muscle group. This is due to a superior strength curve and lack of skill and balance required to do the exercise. Not having to put effort into balancing and skill allows many to focus more on pure effort. BTW...stabalizing muscles are worked plenty with machine.
That said, you can reach your maximum potential without ever touching a machine!

AND HOWEVER!!!!!! I have not found any machine work to equal SQUATS, DEADLIFTS of any kind or barbell curls. Close grip benches are also every excellent, although machine dips are just as good. None of the tricep extension machines are as good as the lying tricep extension with an E-z Curl bar.


The very best OVERALL MUSCLE BUILDERS are the Squat and various deadlifts,PEROID.


CHEST......Some form of decline press or dips with elbows out. The function of the pecs are to bring the upper arms across the chest AND DOWNWARD. These exercises work the ENTIRE chest. If I had to choose one it would be the hammer decline press or hammer dips with elbows out.

LAT THICKNESS...pulldowns or chins with a barbell curl style grip with wrist straps, or hammer pulldown without straps. If I had to choose one it would be chins wit a barbell curl grip and straps with weight around my waist.

Upper back thickness.... DB Rows with one knee on bench or hammer machine rows. Other rowing machine can be good too especially hammer. Rows also work the rear delts very hard.
if I had to choose one it would be the db row with straps.

DELTOIDS....overhead press to the front in a bench set at about 80 degrees. Hammer overhead press is good as are other machines that are plate loaded.
The overhead press works the entire shoulder complex.
If I had to choose one it would be the hammer press.

TRAPS
shrugs any from

Abbs
pre-stretch crunch or swiss ball crunch. Also hanging knee ups ..curling up with lower torso.

Low back
Deadlifts of any kind are all about the same

Hams
Stiff leg deadlifts...done right your should be able to SLDL a LOT of weight.

Calves
Donkeys or toe press in leg press machine.

Biceps ...Barbell or dumbell curls. Some machine are good such as hammer

Triceps... close grip dips with elbows in and back. Close grip benches with elbows in are very good too. Lying tricep extensions are pretty good but not as good as the dip or close grip bench.
If I had to choose one it would be hammer dips with elbows in and back.

QUADS
SQUATS!...deep with A-1 form. Also deep leg presses are good especially the hammer machine leg press.
There is a machine called the TRUSQUAT. It is very rare but very excellent indeed!

RG
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Great stuff! Keep it coming!

I believe it was Ulter who started that post about doubling dose equals double the gains. If you can do a search still, you will come across it. It's only a few weeks old. It was a sticky for a while.

I know if I doubled my dose, I wouldn't double my gains, but rather double the sides! I think if it were that simple, you could just keep doubling the dose until you were prosized, within a short time, perhaps a year. I've yet to see that happen, and I won't hold my breath either!

As for this program, I encourage everyone, and anyone to give it an honest try. You will see progress. Realgains KNOWS what he is talking about. But as he has warned, beware of the ever present muscle mags. They brainwash you so easily!
 
I have seen that thread and I decided to not comment.

All I can really say is that Ulter forgets that the vast majority on the boards are below their natural max weight and as such really do not need very big doses of gear to see results as long as they know how to train.
400 of test/week won't do shit for someone that is 20 or more pounds above his natural max other than hold their weight at the level but it will do plenty for most trainees and with little visible side effects.


RG:)
 
I leave the board for a while and look what happens. :D

Great advice for the ladies Realgains, wish I could add something but you just about covered it. Keep it up...
 
HONORABLE MENTIONS in the list of best exercises.

Incline presses with a barbell, dumbells or hammer machine. This exercise needs to be done on a shallow angle of about 30 degrees or it will become a shoulder exercise.
Inclines are not as good an all round stimulator as decline, dips with elbows out or decline hammer presses but they are a little better than the regular bench press for most.

The regular bench is pretty good but a inferior to either the shallow incline or decline presses. That said , there are a few men and women that really excell at the regular bench as their biomechanics are suited to this exercise. Most barrel chest men do well on the bench. The regular bench takes a good deal of skill to perform well and when this skill is learned many find it a fine movement.

Pullovers are one of the few really good isolation movements and a good lat builder IF done in a decent machine. Nothing has yet come close to the old Nautilus machine pullover...masterful machine indeed.

Pullovers are best done BEFORE doing a compound back movement like pulldowns. They can be done in pre-exhaust superset fashion with no rest between the pullover and pulldown OR you can just put the pulldowns after the pullovers in a regular fashion.

Upright rows can be a good compound movement for the shoulders and traps but not everyone can tolerate them and many get rotator cuff injuries. It is EXTREMELY important to do this exercise very strictly and fairly slow and also use wrist straps for sure.

RG:)
 
Thank you for a great article. I am using this type of training and making the best gains ever.
 
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