PROOF? You Decide.

[Tatyana]

Nelson looks great.

He looks better than quite a few of the lads in my gym who are half his age.


(Hi hun )

 

[ceo]

ooohhh...I didn't realize this thread was about how he looked!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Wow, one guy with 4 posts. (I wonder who THAT is?) And did he even read the abstarct or did he think that posting it was enough. Nowhere does it say that 100 mgs will shut you down.

Ross is always right? Dude, I know you're trying to be funny but it sounds silly.

You're also missing the point I thought I made clear. You're confusing suppression with shut down. I don't know what else to say to make you understand that any better. I'm sure I'd be low of I came off and I'm not about to do that to myself. But the facts remain. Very low HRT. Functioning HPTA and high free T level due to supplementation. What's the problem with that?

 

[galaxy]

Either way your blood work is proof of nothing.

After years of abuse I was down to about 127 after 6 months of not being on. SO yeah, I wasnt completely shut down, but I might as well have been. Thats less test than a post menopausal women.

Maybe we should examine just what we mean by the term "Shut down". Does it mean your at ZERO? Hell No. But if you want to say being at 5 is proof your not shut down than sure. Your still producing.

I think its a little more complex and above anyone on this board.

I think also for the most part we agree when your in the normal range, your not "shut down" (if we remember its just a term and not literally)

 

[Nelson Montana]

Either way your blood work is proof of nothing.

After years of abuse I was down to about 127 after 6 months of not being on. SO yeah, I wasnt completely shut down, but I might as well have been. Thats less test than a post menopausal women.

Maybe we should examine just what we mean by the term "Shut down". Does it mean your at ZERO? Hell No. But if you want to say being at 5 is proof your not shut down than sure. Your still producing.

I think its a little more complex and above anyone on this board.

I think also for the most part we agree when your in the normal range, your not "shut down" (if we remember its just a term and not literally)

I think that's exactly it. A "term" is being taken literally. I feel that even if you're producing less (or just a little) on your own, why not make the most of it? That's when the body operates the best. If someone goes on thyroid medication does the doctor immediately give the highest dose because "you'll be shut down anyway?" No, but that's the thinking all too often around here and other steroid sites.

And it's the free T that matters anyway. There aren't many options in that regard.

 

[Mr. Black]

Based on my own blood tests when experimenting with HRT for 6 months @ 100mg per week the following is what I noticed...
Total Test was close to 1000ng/dl (pre-Hrt was 500), SHBG decreased by almost 50%, LH went down to 0 and Bio-Available test increased almost 400%. If my LH was indeed 0, then it seems highly unlikely that my own nuts were putting out anything in to the mix...

 

[galaxy]

I am jeolous. My test was only 570 on 150mgs 10 days after inject and my Free was 2.07 I think?

Of course I did jerk off twice before the test to manipulate it. I only did that because I doubled up on my dose before a vacation and wasnt gonna have time to boot nor desire to bring my test with me.

But those are impressive numbers on just 100mgs and UNLEASHED

 

[Ross]

Based on my own blood tests when experimenting with HRT for 6 months @ 100mg per week the following is what I noticed...
Total Test was close to 1000ng/dl (pre-Hrt was 500), SHBG decreased by almost 50%, LH went down to 0 and Bio-Available test increased almost 400%. If my LH was indeed 0, then it seems highly unlikely that my own nuts were putting out anything in to the mix...

BINGO.

 

[OMEGA]

Nelson looks great.

He looks better than quite a few of the lads in my gym who are half his age.


(Hi hun )

soo i heard

I was jelus lol


Nelson put his Lucky charms on tatyana

 

[EricG]

This isn;t a double blind, peer reviewed abstract conducted by an independant University. it's just the results of my latest blood test.

I've been on 100 mgs a week of T for over 6 years now.

My total T is 876 -- the upper healthy range. (Just sort of being TOO high).

My FREE testosterone was 5:00 -- over the normal range for men 29 to 49. I'm 54.

This proves two things.

One: Stop believing this nonsense spewed by people who don't understand how hormonal fluctuation works about being "shut down"once you use any exogenous T. You CAN maintain natural production along with additional intake with the proper procedures.

And two: Gotta say it. UNLEASHED. I take it religiously. There is no way my SHBG can be that low at my age without help. That means either Winny, Proviron or UNLEASHED. Since I only take UNLEASHED, that's the only answer.

So I'm not sure how much this means to everyone but in the least, it should make everyone rethink the "shutdown" concept and start thinking about doing everything possible to maintain natural T and Free T production for life.[/QUOTE]

I think a lot of people are missing the point that Nelson is putting out there.

Its good to reflect on things like this and keep safe, espacially if your in it for the long run.

-Eric