outer pecs what to do

[gettinlarger]

marshall, not to be a dick or anything, but i really think youre mistaken ... why dont you do just flys for 8 weeks. then another 8 weeks include various chest exercises - incline bench, flat bench, dbs, bbs, whatever. then come back and tell us what happened.

 

[MarshallPenniford]

Don't worry - no offense taken guys. You guys just need to study a physiology textbook. You can't change the function of the chest muscle.

To answer your question, I suppose only doing flyes would result in a serious amount of atrophy in tris and delts. So I'll pass. Not to mention any loss in hormonal response I would suffer.

But, as far as targeting the chest muscles, just flyes are fine, and it doesn't matter what angle you do them at. Do you think your chest muscle actually knows if it's contracting from a flye or a press?

B fold, you can train front delts because of the way the shoulder is designed, but you can't hit your outer biceps in any meaningful way. Out of curiosity, why all the sarcasm?

 

[b fold the truth]

B fold, you can train front delts because of the way the shoulder is designed, but you can't hit your outer biceps in any meaningful way. Out of curiosity, why all the sarcasm?

Why the sarcasm? Because you are wrong.

I made a B in physiology...and it taught me NOTHING about the bench press, how to build huge pecs, and it spoke nothing about flyes either. Shoot...the professor even said that your tendons and ligaments could never get any stronger than they were when you were born.

If I took everything that every professor taught me in the Health, Phys dept...and piled it up into one big pile...I'd have enough total crap to fertilize the entire state of Kentucky. Note that those professors and so called experts are all 6'3" 180lbs too. None of them had to find a way to push past their limits or to "bring out their outter pecs." Doesn't sound like you have either.

B True

 

[MarshallPenniford]

B - If you want to think I'm wrong, go ahead. You still haven't been able to explain why I'm wrong, short of citing anectdotal evidence, your poor grade in physiology and the fact that you had a sh*tty professor. None of it changes the facts of the matter.

I have always enjoyed reading your posts, and your threads about your strongman training, and you seemed like a cool guy. Now, rather than explaining yourself, you act like an ass and choose to insult me. How big I am, or anyone else is, is not relevant to the discussion. Not everybody wants to eat themselves to 285lbs, you know? So how can you make judgements about how hard I push myself?

 

[bignate73]

gym science will tell you that a bench press will build your chest and flyes isolate.

the muscle action of the pectorals is exactly the same for a bench press and a flye. the difference being one is a press using many other muscles to move the humerus and one is an isolated contraction of the pectorals to move the humerus. (think about what your upper arm is doing in both motions)

i wish you guys would learn muscle action, it only makes you look silly when you cant even tell that the intended movement is the same. the difference between the movement is the amount of weight used (obviously) but thats not to say that the tension isnt the same since the load is further from the fulcrum. a little kinesiology, physics and biomechanics will go a long way here......

nothing marshallpenniford said was wrong. it was taken out of context and clouded by long standing misconceptions. noone is questioning or belittling your sport, its just that there are more than 2 ways to skin a cat. flyes being the isolated movement of the pectorals, presses being a COMPOUND movement, meaning there is more than one joint involved and many different muscle groups moving the load.

noone is saying you have to change your training style or preferences, but at least understand how the muscle is acting in each movement to at least give you new avenues to try.

sheesh.

 

[b fold the truth]

B - If you want to think I'm wrong, go ahead. You still haven't been able to explain why I'm wrong, short of citing anectdotal evidence, your poor grade in physiology and the fact that you had a sh*tty professor. None of it changes the facts of the matter.

I have always enjoyed reading your posts, and your threads about your strongman training, and you seemed like a cool guy. Now, rather than explaining yourself, you act like an ass and choose to insult me. How big I am, or anyone else is, is not relevant to the discussion. Not everybody wants to eat themselves to 285lbs, you know? So how can you make judgements about how hard I push myself?

I feel that I am greatly misunderstanding what everyone is saying here. This just doesn't seem right. I am not for sure if we are talking about the same thing or not.

I can not sit here and point out to you, or anyone else, why I can emphasize my outter pecs in a bench press movement...but I can. I can NOT isolate just them...but I can put more stress on them. How does a bodybuilder bring his out in the off-season?

When is a B a poor grade in a class? I was proud of my B actually.

Insult you? Maybe you took my point incorrectly...and maybe it was way out of line. It probably was way out of line, and if it is, I apologize. People can learn from a book on how to do things, as my professors have, but till they do it themselves they will never see that they were wrong.

You don't have to eat yourself to 285lbs...I didn't either. I trained a time or two also. Didn't say that you didn't push yourself either.

B True

 

[p-onyx]

Is it true that doing dips will mess up your shoulder blades. I know they are great to get the area around the lower part of your chest but is it really that good on your shoulders.