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outer pecs what to do
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FitnessFrk
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name one exercise.
just because you perform a certain exercise and you "feel" it more in a certain area does not mean it is any more effective.
just because you perform a certain exercise and you "feel" it more in a certain area does not mean it is any more effective.
I didn't claim using low inlines you train more outer than inner part of the chest, no
i claim that at these angle you train the most fibers that go from the inside to the outside, instead of top or bottom of the chest, hence this way you have a fuller inner AND outer chest wearing a tanktop
Some people even argue that we even shouldn't do incline benchpressing as "it is not possible to hit upper chest" or that we "shouldn't do flatbenchpresses" because weighted dips would take care of the whole chest.... etc... I agree that way too many people dream up fancy angles exercise and equipment and drift away from the basics, but other people turn to nihilism...
About the vastus medialis and the vastus lateralis
Try HACKSQUATS in 2 variants:
1. feet at shoulderwidth in front of you (like smith machine squats) toes slightly pointing out , more medial action
2. close stance, feet directly under your torso, feet forward (it will be nearly impossible not to lift your heels when going down),
more lateral action.
I did variant 2 for 8 weeks and made improvements in my vastus latereralis as opposed to normal hacksquats. While it's true you cannot change genetic muscle shape, it is the determined training that will reveal if you were born with peaked biceps or not, also you can EMPHASIZE parts of muscle as (depending on you biomechanical build) certain exercise skip certain fibers of a muscle. In most cases there is considerable overlap , in the sence that it's very hard to solely focus on the ie. triceps lateral head, but certain exercises get this head better into play than others
Why do you think free weights are considered superior to machines???
Oviously the machines stimulates a smaller area, so there is your clue that to a certain degree the choice of exercises does play a roll in sculpting, however you have to do this in a hardcore way and for a considerable time to make a significant differance (best example Larry Scotts peaked biceps) Maybe he had them all along, but it wasn't until Larry Scott curls that they showed off.
i claim that at these angle you train the most fibers that go from the inside to the outside, instead of top or bottom of the chest, hence this way you have a fuller inner AND outer chest wearing a tanktop
Some people even argue that we even shouldn't do incline benchpressing as "it is not possible to hit upper chest" or that we "shouldn't do flatbenchpresses" because weighted dips would take care of the whole chest.... etc... I agree that way too many people dream up fancy angles exercise and equipment and drift away from the basics, but other people turn to nihilism...
About the vastus medialis and the vastus lateralis
Try HACKSQUATS in 2 variants:
1. feet at shoulderwidth in front of you (like smith machine squats) toes slightly pointing out , more medial action
2. close stance, feet directly under your torso, feet forward (it will be nearly impossible not to lift your heels when going down),
more lateral action.
I did variant 2 for 8 weeks and made improvements in my vastus latereralis as opposed to normal hacksquats. While it's true you cannot change genetic muscle shape, it is the determined training that will reveal if you were born with peaked biceps or not, also you can EMPHASIZE parts of muscle as (depending on you biomechanical build) certain exercise skip certain fibers of a muscle. In most cases there is considerable overlap , in the sence that it's very hard to solely focus on the ie. triceps lateral head, but certain exercises get this head better into play than others
Why do you think free weights are considered superior to machines???
Oviously the machines stimulates a smaller area, so there is your clue that to a certain degree the choice of exercises does play a roll in sculpting, however you have to do this in a hardcore way and for a considerable time to make a significant differance (best example Larry Scotts peaked biceps) Maybe he had them all along, but it wasn't until Larry Scott curls that they showed off.
FitnessFrk
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If you use the heaviest weights possible on a progressive basis all muscle fiber types will be stimulated. The brain cannot selectively recruit muscle fibers. The brain does not care about velocity or repetitions only force. When a sufficient load is placed on the muscles and FG fibers are recruited it is automatic that the FOG, FO and S types are recruited as well.
FitnessFrk
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Ah yea nice scientific answer! ...
Arnold is a genetic freak. Because he did something definitely does not mean it's going to do jack diddly for the majority of weight trainers. Arnold would have had a spectacular physique regardless of what type of training routine he followed.
It is a moot point. You CAN NOT isolate part of the pecs, as there is no inner or outer pectoral. Targeting insertion points doesn't do dick! Changing the angle on dips doesn't do dick!
Arnold is a genetic freak. Because he did something definitely does not mean it's going to do jack diddly for the majority of weight trainers. Arnold would have had a spectacular physique regardless of what type of training routine he followed.
It is a moot point. You CAN NOT isolate part of the pecs, as there is no inner or outer pectoral. Targeting insertion points doesn't do dick! Changing the angle on dips doesn't do dick!
MarshallPenniford
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OneMind - No offense man, but you are talking out your ass. Because Arnold says so. Arnold is so clueless about how the body works it isn't funny. Different angles of different excersises will recruit different fibers or even different heads to different degrees, but when you start pounding a muscle with heavy weights, the brain is so furiously tryintg to recruit fibers, all the minor differences become outweighed. You are going to "shape" a muscle, and there is no outer pec, sorry. So jumping on gymtime was not cool, considering you're the one in error. You know what I mean?
Hit your chest hard, it will grow. Don't worry about which excersise you use. Good luck.
Hit your chest hard, it will grow. Don't worry about which excersise you use. Good luck.
Seems as if this is a super confusing thread.
I can do flat bench press about 20 different ways...all of them I feel in a different spot and each causes growth in a different area.
Saying that an exercise "targets" a certain area is probably the wrong word to use. Saying that a certain exercise "hits" a certain area more than another is correct.
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I can do flat bench press about 20 different ways...all of them I feel in a different spot and each causes growth in a different area.
Saying that an exercise "targets" a certain area is probably the wrong word to use. Saying that a certain exercise "hits" a certain area more than another is correct.
B True
