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Once a week frequency? Why?

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In an effort to make some of the trainees here rethink their methods, I'd like to present an open discussion here on the typical bodybuilding split. Many of you know I'm vehemently against such a method, but I'd like to explain why I'd like to put a nail in its coffin.

First off I will define what I mean by "typical bodybuilding split." These are the routines that you find in most muscle magazines, as well as being perpetuated by the majority of people here and in most gyms. They are generally a 4-way split, but sometimes are as often as 5 or 6 days. An example might be:

Day 1: Chest
Day 2: Back
Day 4: Legs
Day 5: Arms
(or any other variation)

Some make it a 5 day split and may give delts their own day. I will attempt to explain why such concepts are ludicrous.

I will start by saying that many trainees are utterly confused as to what equals growth. Assuming you are eating enough (adequate macronutrients and caloric total), the act of adding weight to the bar is responsible for most of your muscle gain. There are two contexts for this:

1. Progressive strength gain. Adding small amounts of iron to the bar nearly every session in an effort to gain strength. That 2 lbs a week you're adding might not seem like much until a year later you realize your bench press is 100 lbs greater. As a result, your chest will have gained some good thickness.

2. HST adding some new ideas into the mix. You're still adding weight to the bar, but instead of absolute strength increase, you're adding the weight more often, while at submaximal levels.

Many trainees, due largely in part to muscle magazine propaganda, mistakenly believe that growth is mostly the results of:

1. Some kind of burn or pump.
2. Lots of different exercises in an effort to "blitz" different areas of the muscle. Many of these exercises are dangerous and this whole practice could be mostly eliminated by a simple anatomy lesson.
3. "Shocking" the muscle. In an effort to "confuse" their muscles, trainees often switch routines, rep ranges and intensity constantly. Your muscles aren't as smart as many of you seem to think. This causes many trainees to make lousy or no progress, because they can't even consistantly track their own workouts. It takes YEARS to put on lots of muscle, give a routine more than 2 weeks before you judge it's efficacy.

Now, it has been established that you can stimulate growth entirely by the efforts of 1 set (by DC training, HST, HIT, hardgainer, and scientific studies). While I will concede that more sets will generally equal greater hypertrophy, there are all-important caveats:

1. There are serious diminishing returns involved. Assuming we're dealing with larger rep ranges (5+), The third set is largely unproductive, and sets thereafter will produce negligable growth.
2. The more sets you do, the more time you will need to recover.

There is an obvious synergy between these two facts. If you are doing lots of volume, you might be doing once a week frequency because that's all you CAN do without becoming overtrained. Some people do so much volume (many not realizing it) that they are constantly overtrained and make meager progress.

We then reach our final conclusion, that since 1-2 sets is quite adequate for stimulating growth, and that doing low volume grants you greater recouperative powers, we can train with greater frequency. And if you're causing growth 1.5-3 times a week, you will be light years ahead of the guy training each bodypart once a week or less.

Please present your own thoughts on the matter.
 
Debaser said:
3. "Shocking" the muscle. In an effort to "confuse" their muscles, trainees often switch routines, rep ranges and intensity constantly. Your muscles aren't as smart as many of you seem to think. This causes many trainees to make lousy or no progress, because they can't even consistantly track their own workouts. It takes YEARS to put on lots of muscle, give a routine more than 2 weeks before you judge it's efficacy.

My only concern is that I believe your body does adapt to training. I agree that changing a routine in as little as 2+ weeks is not necessary. But if you're in a plateu with the training, you're body is looking for a change. Experience will let you know when it's time to seek a different training schedule.
 
Most people are under the impression that more is better. . . .to this day, I still can't figure it out.

Most trainers are training too much and under eating. . .they are simply confused by their own body chemistry.

For optimal results in gains in size and strength, I truly believe in low volume and intensity distributed through 3 workouts per week.

I am oftern floored when other people post their programs. . . its typically 12 sets of chest, arms, and back, and 8 sets of quads and hams. To top it off, the common caloric intake is under 3000 without a sufficient supply of carbs.

Currently, I believe there is mass confusion out there when it comes to training.

I wish someone could come up with a legitimate argument why more training = more growth.

The argument of CNS overload or overtraining is getting old. . . its the muscles that are overtrained.

Overall, I agree with the low volume approach. . . .I preach it to death because I firmly believe it can work for anyone and its the ideal way to train.
 
Re: Re: Once a week frequency? Why?

pwr_machine said:


My only concern is that I believe your body does adapt to training.

Thats why you switch things up every workout. This includes exercises and reps used. . .if a plateau is reached it is time for rest.

I make it as simple as possible.
 
My question is, why do people piddle around with set after set?

What is the benefit of performing:?

5 x 5
225lbs x 5
225lbs x 5
225lbs x 5
225lbs x 5
225lbs x 5

Isn't this a bit redundant? Why is this necessary?

Why not take that 225lbs and pound out 8 or 9 reps for 1 set?

After taking it to the maximum, there is no need for an additional 4 sets.

Shouldn't training be about causing extensive muscle damage then getting out of the gym so you can grow?

The rest of the time can be devoted towards rest and feeding the machine.
 
I'll tell you why once a week. It feeds into our obsession with easy numbers. It has nothing to do with what works best. I guarantee if our weeks were 9 days, that's the frequency you'd see people hitting a muscle group.
 
casualbb said:
I'll tell you why once a week. It feeds into our obsession with easy numbers. It has nothing to do with what works best. I guarantee if our weeks were 9 days, that's the frequency you'd see people hitting a muscle group.

Thats a reasonable point.
 
I completely agree with the one set theory, it just makes sense. By being here in the UK, and having connections with the likes of Dorian and colleagues / advisers of his, I have been an advocate of this for many years (albeit, that he would do more than one exercise per body part, per workout). I love DC and other forms of “one set” routines and have had great results. However, do I use them all year round? No. I really feel there is something to be said for mixing it up a little. Single sets do seem to fatigue me, and I feel my joints and connective tissue like the change to multiple sets. As long as you are progressing, adding weight to the bar, I think some change is good, in fact, I think change is the catalyst that many trainers need.

Personally I have gone from DC to 5x5, which I plan to alternate every 3 months or so. Don’t forget that many trainers are looking for the bit of muscular endurance that one set just does not give you. Also, taking 5x5 as an example, these are not failure sets, they are almost warming you up for when it get harder toward the 4th and 5th set.

I also think that complex muscle groups, shoulders being the best example, need to be hit from a couple of angles. I don’t want to get into the debate here, as it’s a little off topic, but I wouldn’t want to only hit my shoulders with compound moves.

Also, it takes a lot of focus to put all of your efforts in to one set. Many people with less experience will not be able to produce that all out single set. In fact I know that Dorian isn’t recommending one set to some that he has given advise to recently, but gone for two sets, on multiple exercises.

In summary, use I agree with what you say, but different situations and goals mean that there is more than one way to train, and often, allowing for some change within a given framework is the way to go…
 
Debaser-I agree with just about everything you said, but it is all theory... I mean, it makes sense, but we need someone to actually carry though and be a guinea pig to asses the actual validity. Why not volunteer one or a couple people and make an online case study... While I do agree in general, I also use that same type of workout day after day or year after year... Though I am typically looking for more performance/strenght, rather than size, the same caveats should apply, correct?

Basically, I am saying, theories are great and all, but there comes a time to really asess if it works or not... I am willing to help and volunteer myself if I can...

PS- As tone is hard to determine via the written word, this is not a challenge, but rather a "hey, why not try it out on several individuals in an organized manner to see what happens"
 
Becoming said:
Debaser-I agree with just about everything you said, but it is all theory... I mean, it makes sense, but we need someone to actually carry though and be a guinea pig to asses the actual validity. Why not volunteer one or a couple people and make an online case study... While I do agree in general, I also use that same type of workout day after day or year after year... Though I am typically looking for more performance/strenght, rather than size, the same caveats should apply, correct?

Basically, I am saying, theories are great and all, but there comes a time to really asess if it works or not... I am willing to help and volunteer myself if I can...

PS- As tone is hard to determine via the written word, this is not a challenge, but rather a "hey, why not try it out on several individuals in an organized manner to see what happens"

Are you a believer in high volume? If so, what is your reason behind it?
 
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