Well this might not be a surprise but Parmafreak TestFreak didn't work at all, test dropped from 580 to 478, estradiol dropped to 22 from 31. Could be me but I noticed weekly different feelings, 1st two weeks I noticed a motivational boost but I really think that was placebo. Rest of the time overly tired and couldn't get out of my own way. Started taking HCgenerate and Dspark last week, no noticeable results yet.