Married with Children? You're amongst the elite in America.

[Longhorn85]

I don't see how his child support obligations relate to this conversation, but he would be required to pay if I pursued it, but I am not going to.

They relate because the child is going to be affected by the support he would have received had his/her parents been married.

Choosing to marry rather than shack up would not necessarily change the behavior of the father, but at least he would be accountable for his actions.

On the other hand if a man is not prepared to make a committment perhaps that should be an indicator that he doesn't respect the woman enough to be the father of her children.

Also says something about the degree of respect the woman has for herself.

 

[jackangel]

i think wodin constitutes an attack on traditional american values. i say this because he likes to get blazed and then run around his neighborhood wearing nothing but some boxers and wielding an axe in the presence of little children. sometimes he screams THIS IS FOR YOU MA! THIS IS FOR YOU!!

 

[heatherrae]

They relate because the child is going to be affected by the support he would have received had his/her parents been married.

Choosing to marry rather than shack up would not necessarily change the behavior of the father, but at least he would be accountable for his actions.

On the other hand if a man is not prepared to make a committment perhaps that should be an indicator that he doesn't respect the woman enough to be the father of her children.

Also says something about the degree of respect the woman has for herself.

You must be ignorant of the law. Paternity, not marriage, is what makes a father obligated to pay child support.

I also am wholly confident that my child won't starve. I make enough to care for a baby. My income alone would be equivalent to two middle class parents.

I love the way you assume that HE wouldn't make the commitment. lol.

You seem to be avoiding the question, so maybe Iwill ask it in bold this time, because obviously, you want to obfuscate your own behaviors.

HAVE YOU OR HAVE YOU NOT HAD EXTRAMARITAL SEX?

If so, then you could have had a baby out of wedlock but just got lucky and never did.

ALSO, DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT COMMIT ADULTERY?

If so, I think examining what a BAD MOMMY I am for having not married an abusive and mean alcoholic is laughable. The REAL REASON for marriages breaking down is behavior like yours. That woman could have gotten pregnant and had your baby, then what?

My child is a blessing. My ex bf would have been detrimental to her and to me. I have not one doubt that I am doing the morally and ethically right thing. I am not the cause of anyone deciding to get married or not get married.

And to answer your earlier question about what I will tell my daughter, I will tell her to follow her heart and to not marry someone unless he loves and respects her. The choice is hers, and I will love her unconditionally, whether she is gay, a single mom, or decides to be a Buddhist. I won't persecute her with heavy dogmas that undermine her and her life.

 

[Frisky]

I question your decision to shack up vs marry. Perhaps you had planned to get married. I can't see why a man would marry though, if he is getting all the benefits without the committment. This is a no-win situation for the woman involved.

Is he in anyway obligated to support that child?

If this is in your mind bashing single motherhood, then I am guilty as charged.

and so what if it is the woman that decides she doesn't want to marry? Really... I'm sure later in life i may decide to, but for me its a piece of paper that is worthless. I don't need that piece of paper to commit myself to the person I love and want to spend the rest of my life with.

 

[heatherrae]

They relate because the child is going to be affected by the support he would have received had his/her parents been married.

Choosing to marry rather than shack up would not necessarily change the behavior of the father, but at least he would be accountable for his actions.

On the other hand if a man is not prepared to make a committment perhaps that should be an indicator that he doesn't respect the woman enough to be the father of her children.

Also says something about the degree of respect the woman has for herself.

keep on spewing your hatred of single moms.

No one loves us.

We have no self respect.

We are neglecting our kids financially by not marrying. I find this laughable. If you think having lots of money = being a good parent and having a loving home, you are truly ignorant. Once the needs are met, love and good parenting are what matters.

What else you got? LOL.

 

[Longhorn85]

I also am wholly confident that my child won't starve. I make enough to care for a baby. My income alone would be equivalent to two middle class parents.

You were not even working when you were shacking up if I remember correctly. It is not just about how much you make right now. It takes years of steady employment to build retirement, college funds, etc.

Just another reason why marriage and families are better for kids. Daddy works, Mommy takes care of the kids.

See how it works?

 

[Jimsbbc]

Just because there is a stay at home parent does not ensure the child's welfare and best interest. There are plenty of dead beat stay at home parents who would be better working and putting their kid in daycare than abusing and neglecting their children all day.

 

[heatherrae]

You were not even working when you were shacking up if I remember correctly. It is not just about how much you make right now. It takes years of steady employment to build retirement, college funds, etc.

Just another reason why marriage and families are better for kids. Daddy works, Mommy takes care of the kids.

See how it works?

Ummmm....you are sooooo IGNORANT. I owned my own law firm when we became engaged. I closed the firm to move to Florida. I was not going to work when we got married because he was retiring in a year or so and we were both going to be retired. Marriage isn't always better for kids. Marriage was really fucking horrible for his children, and so was being around him. I chose not to subject my child to him.

LOL...at assuming that dads always make more money and mom's are always better stay at home parents. You are so ignorant.

SO, OBVIOUSLY, YOU DO WANT TO GET PERSONAL SINCE YOU ARE DISECTING WHETHER I WILL HAVE ENOUGH MONEY OR BE A GOOD MOMMY. SO, WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR OWN LIFE? I WILL ASK AGAIN!!!! HAVE YOU EVER HAD SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE. IF SO, PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW YOU CAN POINT THE FINGER AT WOMEN FOR BEING SINGLE MOMS?

 

[Frisky]

You were not even working when you were shacking up if I remember correctly. It is not just about how much you make right now. It takes years of steady employment to build retirement, college funds, etc.

Just another reason why marriage and families are better for kids. Daddy works, Mommy takes care of the kids.

See how it works?

lol... If only it were that damn easy! 'daddy works... mommy stay's home, blah blah. ' Sometimes marriage isn't better for kids, if indeed that marriage is corrupt and ugly. I would prefer to be single and happy, giddy with my kids anyday than to come home to abuse and turmoil. But thats just me...

Remember, when you sit here and degrade and talk down to single moms of this world... on the other side of that fence their is a male that also helped create this situation.

 

[heatherrae]

I would also like to say that my grandparents raised 8 children in a 3 bedroom 1500 square foot house that my grandfather built with his own hands. They raised their own food and meat in addition to farming and logging. They were by no stretch of the imagination wealthy. That house was so full of love! They had to eat soup beans and cornbread most of the time, but none of their kids or grandkids would have traded it to live with Donald Trump.

My child will have so much love. She won't ever have to wonder if her mom loves her. She will have clothing, and food, and a roof over her head. Sure, she could have had fancy cars, pools, boats etc had we gotten married, but she would also have to hear her daddy call her mommy names, hit her mommy, and throw things in drunken tirades. So, please tell me again how I'm hurting my baby by not marrying that shmuck.